Is Philander the new McGrath?

ganeshran · 15-12-2011, 06:00 AM

He has bowled as good as, if not better than Steyn in his short international career which takes quite some doing

Will he able to emulate the pigeon, or be unable to sustain the brilliant performance in his initial few tests?

Spark · 15-12-2011, 06:02 AM

Honestly, let's see how he does on a track that doesn't help bowlers first. I know it sounds petty but he's halfway through his third Test...

Daemon · 15-12-2011, 06:03 AM

Probably

benchmark00 · 15-12-2011, 06:04 AM

I would say he is better than McGrath. Has definitely shown more than McGrath did in his whole test career imo.

Outswinger@Pace · 15-12-2011, 06:06 AM

I'm probably Philander's greatest admirer on this forum, but even I'd say that let's not get carried away. A few more games and a couple more years are needed before passing a judgment.

That said, he comes across more as a swing and seam exponent than a back-of-the-length unbelievably accurate metronome that McGrath was. A swing bowler would tend to concede more runs than the McGrath, Ambrose types and you'll find that reflected in their average.

GingerFurball · 15-12-2011, 06:13 AM

Let's wait until he plays on a pitch that isn't a greentop against batsmen who actually know which way up to hold the bit of wood they walk to the middle with.

weldone · 15-12-2011, 06:18 AM

He is always going to be a potent force in home conditions against any team. I can't comment on how he's going to fare on flat decks. But if you want a wild speculation - I can put some (not much) money on him ending up witha better SR and a higher ER than McGrath provided I get a lucrative betting ratio.

TT Boy · 15-12-2011, 06:19 AM

Awful thread. Almost as bad as the one the Australians here created where they proclaimed Phil Hughes “The Prince” and were considering would it be 60 or a 70 test match batting average he would end up with.

NasserFan207 · 15-12-2011, 06:21 AM

No.

He is the new Philander.

benchmark00 · 15-12-2011, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Awful thread. Almost as bad as the one the Australians here created where they proclaimed Phil Hughes “The Prince” and were considering would it be 60 or a 70 test match batting average he would end up with.

lol, the nickname 'The Prince' had absolutely nothing to do with his cricket, buddy. In fact I created it before he had played a single international match.

ganeshran · 15-12-2011, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TT Boy

Awful thread. Almost as bad as the one the Australians here created where they proclaimed Phil Hughes “The Prince” and were considering would it be 60 or a 70 test match batting average he would end up with.

Why? I am not passing a judgement that Philander would be as good as McGrath, just eliciting opinions whether he will be able to sustain his great performance over longer periods ala the pigeon

Nigel Benjamin · 15-12-2011, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outswinger@Pace

I'm probably Philander's greatest admirer on this forum, but even I'd say that let's not get carried away. A few more games and a couple more years are needed before passing a judgment.

That said, he comes across more as a swing and seam exponent than a back-of-the-length unbelievably accurate metronome that McGrath was. A swing bowler would tend to concede more runs than the McGrath, Ambrose types and you'll find that reflected in their average.

This

Daemon · 15-12-2011, 06:27 AM

CPL database is never wrong. Philander ftfw.

weldone · 15-12-2011, 06:32 AM

265 wickets @ 19.72 - not sure how many bowlers of the last 15 years can boast of such a record in FC cricket. He should have had his debut a year or so ago - before the likes of Tsotsobe surely.

Teja. · 15-12-2011, 06:34 AM

Have a feeling that we're witnessing the beginning of a bloody special bowler, itbt.

Philander to average under 25 at home, at least. Will be itstl to see him bowl away. One that'll stick around for a while.

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15-12-2011, 06:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	Is Philander the new McGrath? He has bowled as good as, if not better than Steyn in his short international career which takes quite some doing Will he able to emulate the pigeon, or be unable to sustain the brilliant performance in his initial few tests?

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Outswinger@Pace International 12th Man Join Date: May 2011 Location: Western Europe Posts: 1,730	I'm probably Philander's greatest admirer on this forum, but even I'd say that let's not get carried away. A few more games and a couple more years are needed before passing a judgment. That said, he comes across more as a swing and seam exponent than a back-of-the-length unbelievably accurate metronome that McGrath was. A swing bowler would tend to concede more runs than the McGrath, Ambrose types and you'll find that reflected in their average. Last edited by Outswinger@Pace; 15-12-2011 at 06:07 AM.

15-12-2011, 06:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
weldone International Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kolkata --> Mumbai, India Posts: 5,950	He is always going to be a potent force in home conditions against any team. I can't comment on how he's going to fare on flat decks. But if you want a wild speculation - I can put some (not much) money on him ending up witha better SR and a higher ER than McGrath provided I get a lucrative betting ratio. __________________ "I want to raise my hand and say one thing. Those who complain about my love for the game or commitment to the game are clueless. These are the only 2 areas where I give myself 100 out of 100." - Sachin Tendulkar, as told in an interview published in Bengali newspaper Anandabazar Patrika after his 100th International century (translated by weldone)

15-12-2011, 06:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
NasserFan207 International Regular Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Essex Posts: 3,576	No. He is the new Philander. __________________ Batsman I tolerate: V. Richards, S. Tendulkar, E. Morgan, N. Hussain. KEVIN O F******* BRIEN

15-12-2011, 06:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,793	Probably

15-12-2011, 06:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
TT Boy Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . Posts: 16,321	Awful thread. Almost as bad as the one the Australians here created where they proclaimed Phil Hughes “The Prince” and were considering would it be 60 or a 70 test match batting average he would end up with.

15-12-2011, 06:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,793	CPL database is never wrong. Philander ftfw.

15-12-2011, 06:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
weldone International Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kolkata --> Mumbai, India Posts: 5,950	265 wickets @ 19.72 - not sure how many bowlers of the last 15 years can boast of such a record in FC cricket. He should have had his debut a year or so ago - before the likes of Tsotsobe surely.

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