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    Best batsman from associate teams

    Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?

    Steve Tikolo
    Thomas Odoyo
    Ten Doeschate
    Gavin Hamilton
    Kevin O Brian
    Ashish Bagai

    or others

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    Probably RTD, Paul Stirling played a few top knocks for Middlesex last year too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ganeshran View Post
    Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?
    Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

    Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

    Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    I thought he was genuinely Scottish?
    He is, but I'd argue that he learned his trade at Yorkshire.

    If Hamilton counts, then I would definitely put forward Brian Hardie. Mind you, Brian Hardie actually played for Scotland well before he played for Essex - 'touring' England with the Scotland team in 1970, 71 and 72. Including 2 centuries against a touring MCC side in Aberdeen [when the MCC came to Scotland, of course!]

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    He is, but I'd argue that he learned his trade at Yorkshire.

    If Hamilton counts, then I would definitely put forward Brian Hardie. Mind you, Brian Hardie actually played for Scotland well before he played for Essex - 'touring' England with the Scotland team in 1970, 71 and 72. Including 2 centuries against a touring MCC side in Aberdeen [when the MCC came to Scotland, of course!]
    Yes Hamilton defo was a product of Yorkshire played there from his late teens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknife View Post
    Yes Hamilton defo was a product of Yorkshire played there from his late teens.
    Yeah, that's what I thought. So I'd hesitate to say he was "produced" by Scotland.

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    Zimbabwe were an associate when Hick came through. If they'd been a test nation he might never have taken the Queen's shilling.

    134 (IIRC) first class tons makes a strong case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ganeshran View Post
    Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?

    Steve Tikolo
    Thomas Odoyo
    Ten Doeschate
    Gavin Hamilton
    Kevin O Brian
    Ashish Bagai

    or others
    Mahadevan Sathasivam of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
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    Just read about Mahadevan Sathasivam's exploits. Turns out he was rated quite highly by Sir Gary Sobers himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed View Post
    Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

    Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.
    I think that's a distinction that doesn't need to be made. For a batsman from an associate nation to be considered as a good one, people wait to see him perform well in the more established competitions. At which point, it can be claimed that the higher class of competition and better system had a hand in his development, which then means he wasn't an exclusive product of his home nation. It would be pretty rare for a batsman to be considered good if his performances in the associate circuit are all he has by way of claim.
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