Best batsman from associate teams

ganeshran · 12-12-2011, 11:57 AM

Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?

Steve Tikolo
Thomas Odoyo
Ten Doeschate
Gavin Hamilton
Kevin O Brian
Ashish Bagai

or others

Cabinet96 · 12-12-2011, 12:17 PM

Probably RTD, Paul Stirling played a few top knocks for Middlesex last year too.

HeathDavisSpeed · 12-12-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeshran

Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?

Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.

morgieb · 12-12-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.

I thought he was genuinely Scottish?

HeathDavisSpeed · 12-12-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by morgieb

I thought he was genuinely Scottish?

He is, but I'd argue that he learned his trade at Yorkshire.

If Hamilton counts, then I would definitely put forward Brian Hardie. Mind you, Brian Hardie actually played for Scotland well before he played for Essex - 'touring' England with the Scotland team in 1970, 71 and 72. Including 2 centuries against a touring MCC side in Aberdeen [when the MCC came to Scotland, of course!]

Jacknife · 12-12-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

He is, but I'd argue that he learned his trade at Yorkshire.

If Hamilton counts, then I would definitely put forward Brian Hardie. Mind you, Brian Hardie actually played for Scotland well before he played for Essex - 'touring' England with the Scotland team in 1970, 71 and 72. Including 2 centuries against a touring MCC side in Aberdeen [when the MCC came to Scotland, of course!]

Yes Hamilton defo was a product of Yorkshire played there from his late teens.

HeathDavisSpeed · 12-12-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacknife

Yes Hamilton defo was a product of Yorkshire played there from his late teens.

Yeah, that's what I thought. So I'd hesitate to say he was "produced" by Scotland.

BoyBrumby · 12-12-2011, 04:03 PM

Zimbabwe were an associate when Hick came through. If they'd been a test nation he might never have taken the Queen's shilling.

134 (IIRC) first class tons makes a strong case.

hang on · 12-12-2011, 05:46 PM

any older machans on here who could throw some light on the great mahadevan sadasivam (sp?)? the one who was highly praised by sobers in the 60s?

Migara · 12-12-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ganeshran

Who is the best batsman that Associate teams have produced?

Steve Tikolo
Thomas Odoyo
Ten Doeschate
Gavin Hamilton
Kevin O Brian
Ashish Bagai

or others

Mahadevan Sathasivam of course.

benchmark00 · 12-12-2011, 09:48 PM

Dean Brownlie looked alright.

morgieb · 12-12-2011, 10:26 PM

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Dean Brownlie looked alright.

Calling Australia associates now?

benchmark00 · 13-12-2011, 01:12 AM

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ganeshran · 13-12-2011, 03:37 AM

Just read about Mahadevan Sathasivam's exploits. Turns out he was rated quite highly by Sir Gary Sobers himself.

G.I.Joe · 13-12-2011, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

Produced is key here. I don't think the Associates can claim to have produced Gavin Hamilton or Ryan ten Doeschate.

Tikolo, O'Brien, Morgan, Joyce - maybe. Though with the last 3, they've certainly had a fair bit of help from the County circuit too.

I think that's a distinction that doesn't need to be made. For a batsman from an associate nation to be considered as a good one, people wait to see him perform well in the more established competitions. At which point, it can be claimed that the higher class of competition and better system had a hand in his development, which then means he wasn't an exclusive product of his home nation. It would be pretty rare for a batsman to be considered good if his performances in the associate circuit are all he has by way of claim.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,646	Zimbabwe were an associate when Hick came through. If they'd been a test nation he might never have taken the Queen's shilling. 134 (IIRC) first class tons makes a strong case. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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