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    Australia's Greatest Ever Fast Bowler?

    With all the bowling comparison threads kicking around recently, it got me thinking that we could do a futile, cross-era comparison with reams of stats and multi-quoting to bore the tits off everyone to decide on Australia's greatest ever fast bowler.

    But then again, that question is pretty redundant isn't it? So many people recently have made arguments recently regarding the greatness of Dennis Lillee but to be honest, his record pales in comparison to the man who should rightfully be regarded as Australia's greatest ever paceman.

    This man averages a full 7.21 runs less per wicket than the "great" Lillee, and strikes 14.3 balls faster. Over the course of his career, Lillee took a very respectable 5 wickets per match, which looks great until we delve into the record of the Great One who averages 7 wickets per match.

    This statistical case becomes even more overwhelming when we consider their respective records in South Africa, where the Great One has picked up his wickets at just under 17 a piece. Lillee, on the other hand, has less Test wickets in South Africa than Albie Morkel, Munaf Patel, VRV Singh and Ryan Sidebottom. Hardly indicative of greatness is it? In addition, when you compare their records on the subcontinent, which is quite clearly and obviously the hallmark of a true cricketing great, the Great One has a significantly lower average than Lillee and only trails Lillee's wicket tally by 6 in Asia despite having bowled there a good deal less.

    The statistical case for this great bowler is, in my eyes, irrefutable. But just who is this worthy specimen whos greatness is sadly un-appreciated by the masses? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Greatest Australian Fast Bowler of All Time...

    Patrick James Cummins


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    Furball's right. The only logical and fair way to rate a player is to only consider what they've literally achieved on the field, after all.

    Yes, it has only been one match, but that is, if anything, to Cummins' credit, as by sheer probability a Test-standard player with vastly more opportunities, such as Lillee, would eclipse these feats from time to time, while also enduring spells of relative mediocrity that Cummins has never required.

    So time will tell, but from a completely rational point of view, Cummins has a fine claim to the title.
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    Has any bowler had as good a debut for Australia? No way. Particularly if you take into account how much harder bowling is in the modern era with so many things there to favour the batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Has any bowler had as good a debut for Australia? No way. Particularly if you take into account how much harder bowling is in the modern era with so many things there to favour the batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Has any bowler had as good a debut for Australia? No way. Particularly if you take into account how much harder bowling is in the modern era with so many things there to favour the batsman.
    Jesus man, he took one wicket in the first dig didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Hussey.

    A late bloomer, but his best ever year with the ball in 2011.
    An excellent shout. His average, strike rate and economy are all excellent (19, 57.0 and 2.00, FTR), and I doubt there's many bowlers around who have doubled their previous 59 games' wickets in 6 games.

    I reckon that says quite a lot for Clarke's captaincy compared to Ponting's as well, but that's for a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Bob Massie says hi.
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    Jesus man, he took one wicket in the first dig didn't he?

    As Brumby said, Massie ffs.
    Besides Boycott not one of those English batsman is fit to lace one of the current South African team's boots. Particularly if you take into account the size of the bats these days, the energy drinks available to players and all the safety gear the batsman have. Massie wouldn't hold a candle to Cummins if we pushed him into a time machine and shoved a baggy green on his head to play today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Besides Boycott not one of those English batsman is fit to lace one of the current South African team's boots. Particularly if you take into account the size of the bats these days, the energy drinks available to players and all the safety gear the batsman have. Massie wouldn't hold a candle to Cummins if we pushed him into a time machine and shoved a baggy green on his head to play today.
    Duh, why the hell would he take a candle onto the field in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Duh, why the hell would he take a candle onto the field in the first place?
    Bad light conditions obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Bad light conditions obviously.
    My bad, I forgot Bowden umpired that series. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Besides Boycott not one of those English batsman is fit to lace one of the current South African team's boots. Particularly if you take into account the size of the bats these days, the energy drinks available to players and all the safety gear the batsman have. Massie wouldn't hold a candle to Cummins if we pushed him into a time machine and shoved a baggy green on his head to play today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Knott may have been a pioneer of batting but he wouldn't be able to exist in the modern game. His unorthodox style would be negated by todays restricting techniques. I also doubt he could withstand modern express pace.

    There isn't even another name in that English team besides Boycs.

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