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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    yea when there's guys like sameeraweera who avg 54?

    and guys like gambhir, cook, bell, smith, kp, younis khan, mahela who avg 50 ....

    hope his stubborness doesn't lead to him losing another couple of points..i.e he should retire if things don't improve for him over the next month.

    he'd be a forgotton hero if he finished up with a avg of like 50/51
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    hahha very true, very true!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    Yeah, Cook may well end up scoring more runs and centuries than Ponting but unless he carries on his last 12 months of ridiculous batting for about another 4 years then he will clearly always be ranked a long way behind Ponting. If he does do it he may bore many non England fans to death in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    Yep, I eagerly await the Samaraweera > Ponting thread in 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Yeah, Cook may well end up scoring more runs and centuries than Ponting but unless he carries on his last 12 months of ridiculous batting for about another 4 years then he will clearly always be ranked a long way behind Ponting. If he does do it he may bore many non England fans to death in the process.
    I think you're missing the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Yeah, and future generations won't believe us when we go on about how good he actually was when so many from the same era will average the same or more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    Regardless of what he ends up with, Ponting has been clearly the best batsman of this past decade, and that's something he will always have. Same as Gilchrist - despite ending up with an average below 50 overall, it doesn't really take away from the fact that most of us (or at least the largest minority of us) would have him in our all time XI.

    People's averages dropping right towards the end is not really new, and most of us do expect that people who average 60 in their pomp won't end with such an average. I don't think many people even on CW go by only averages.

    To tell you the truth, I see a lot more of that on TV - I've seen multiple commentators during Test matches mention that X has a higher average than Y during period A->B, thereby making X the better player. It's the sort of simplistic analysis we would laugh at (and we do - everytime) if someone posted it on CW.
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    When to bow out is the great question isn't it?

    Ponting has gone from great player in a great team to being the sole survivor in a declining team. Throw in the loss of the captaincy and the Ashes defeats and it all starts to look positively Shakesperean.

    I know he's let himself down on occasion and his demeanour is easy to rip the piss out of. End of the day though, I just don't get the scorn. He's been magnificent so often even if I was rarely in a position to appreciate his efforts at the time.

    But I'm struggling to remember a great player with such a drawn-out denouement. If he comes through this it will be a feat of staggering proportions. If he doesn't it will end up like watching a horse running the Grand National years after it should have been shot.

    What's driving him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by centurymaker View Post
    yea when there's guys like sameeraweera who avg 54?

    and guys like gambhir, cook, bell, smith, kp, younis khan, mahela who avg 50 ....

    hope his stubborness doesn't lead to him losing another couple of points..i.e he should retire if things don't improve for him over the next month.

    he'd be a forgotton hero if he finished up with a avg of like 50/51
    This is so much reminds me of Dravid until recently and the same was said in the threads about him. Sachin turned around his slump quicker and just before the same was about to start.

    Is a tough decision to make for the selectors and even for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Sachin not a bowler though.
    Has 200 international wickets, tbf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    In this comparison, if Ponting is Viv, who is Kallis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    In this comparison, if Ponting is Viv, who is Kallis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    I think you're missing the point.
    I'm not. Cook will need 4 years like his last one to even be anywhere near Ponting, he won't do it as he isn't that good. If he did do it he'd have done it in an era with lesser bowlers anyway and in a far less stylish way than Ponting ever did. Cook will always be a level below Ponting even after he breaks all the English batting records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    It's really good though, cos it means in 20 years time there'll be idiot savant kids on the web saying "Ponting - why do people rate him? Why don't they think Samaraweera or Cook are better?" and the pack of arseholes on here now who say the same thing about Viv will understand how we all feel now.
    Thing is though doesn't Samaraweera have massive holes in his record?

    I reckon someone like Sangakkara will be a guy you could promote, and tbf whilst Ponting is easily the better batsman, Sanga is still an all time great.
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