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    Pace gurus speak - Issues with the modern day fast bowlers

    Bowling quick in this day and age


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    Hadlee : We bowled and bowled and bowled. We ran. We did not use the gym as much as they do today. You have computers telling you what you are doing right, what you are doing wrong. Those tools are useful to have, but sometimes simplicity is the best way to go.

    Roberts : The teachers who turn into coaches, coming in with their scientific approach to fast bowling, are causing the decline of fast bowling. They are literally changing a fast bowler's action, from using the body to using shoulders. You cannot bowl fast for long with your shoulder. I am not against the biomechanics, but bowlers are being over-coached and the coaches are coaching the wrong way.

    A lot of important issues touched upon there by the great pacemen. Your thoughts, forumers?
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    Nah. Old folks having a sook thats all.


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    Slightly related, I read something which said that hi-tech cushioned bowling boots are actually increasing the frequency of ankle and foot injury by weakening the various muscles and tendons due to their relative lack of use.
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    a very interesting article I also this up on cricinfo today.

    Andy Roberts had some interesting stuff to say. Also I think Clive Rice or somebody mentioned how the workload in the country circuit used to be so high even in those days
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outswinger@Pace View Post
    Bowling quick in this day and age


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    A lot of important issues touched upon there by the great pacemen. Your thoughts, forumers?
    Dale Steyn has said something similar in regards to running and bowling vs gym work.

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    There is just as many great fast bowlers from the 90s/00s as there are in any other era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Nah. Old folks having a sook thats all.


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    I know you're not entirely serious but there's a grain of truth in that.
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    In an interview Holding once said that Marshall used to tie weights around his legs whilst doing his normal stuff throughout the day.

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    i think he said that in ESPN Legends of cricket series on Marshall

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    The problem is that bowlers have taken the "fast" out of "fast bowlers".

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    While interesting to hear from them, I don't really think they have any special insights to offer. I would be more interested in hearing from someone trained in bio-mechanics in regards to injuries. They might have something more than an educated guess to offer.

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    but that is what they all seem to be saying. That more bio-mechanics is actually ruining the players

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    Biomechanics and physical training seems to be why the likes of Broad and Finn have gone from 135kph bowlers to 145kph bowlers. Such an effect can surely not be wholly negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    but that is what they all seem to be saying. That more bio-mechanics is actually ruining the players
    Quote Originally Posted by Manee View Post
    Biomechanics and physical training seems to be why the likes of Broad and Finn have gone from 135kph bowlers to 145kph bowlers. Such an effect can surely not be wholly negative.
    I think the key is finding the right balance. That's what the greats mention in the article too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outswinger@Pace View Post
    I think the key is finding the right balance. That's what the greats mention in the article too.
    I can't really see an issue of balance. There is no real downside to understanding how stresses affect the body and studying to find out what makes a bowling action effective. You do get the occasional case where a bowler changes his action for health reasons and it makes him less effective, I guess.

    The real problem, I suspect, is that it is all applied rather half-heartedly at the moment. Sports like running and swimming show the real benefits of bio-mechanics applied properly.

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