Pace gurus speak - Issues with the modern day fast bowlers

Outswinger@Pace · 27-10-2011, 01:32 AM

Bowling quick in this day and age

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Hadlee : We bowled and bowled and bowled. We ran. We did not use the gym as much as they do today. You have computers telling you what you are doing right, what you are doing wrong. Those tools are useful to have, but sometimes simplicity is the best way to go.

Roberts : The teachers who turn into coaches, coming in with their scientific approach to fast bowling, are causing the decline of fast bowling. They are literally changing a fast bowler's action, from using the body to using shoulders. You cannot bowl fast for long with your shoulder. I am not against the biomechanics, but bowlers are being over-coached and the coaches are coaching the wrong way.

A lot of important issues touched upon there by the great pacemen. Your thoughts, forumers?

Daemon · 27-10-2011, 01:35 AM

Nah. Old folks having a sook thats all.

Eagerly await flaming

wellAlbidarned · 27-10-2011, 01:47 AM

Slightly related, I read something which said that hi-tech cushioned bowling boots are actually increasing the frequency of ankle and foot injury by weakening the various muscles and tendons due to their relative lack of use.

smalishah84 · 27-10-2011, 01:57 AM

a very interesting article I also this up on cricinfo today.

Andy Roberts had some interesting stuff to say. Also I think Clive Rice or somebody mentioned how the workload in the country circuit used to be so high even in those days

SamSawnoff · 27-10-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Outswinger@Pace

Bowling quick in this day and age

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A lot of important issues touched upon there by the great pacemen. Your thoughts, forumers?

Dale Steyn has said something similar in regards to running and bowling vs gym work.

Mike5181 · 27-10-2011, 02:37 AM

There is just as many great fast bowlers from the 90s/00s as there are in any other era.

Howe_zat · 27-10-2011, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Nah. Old folks having a sook thats all.

Eagerly await flaming

I know you're not entirely serious but there's a grain of truth in that.

Agent Nationaux · 27-10-2011, 03:01 AM

In an interview Holding once said that Marshall used to tie weights around his legs whilst doing his normal stuff throughout the day.

smalishah84 · 27-10-2011, 03:59 AM

i think he said that in ESPN Legends of cricket series on Marshall

intcricket · 27-10-2011, 04:06 AM

The problem is that bowlers have taken the "fast" out of "fast bowlers".

Debris · 27-10-2011, 04:21 AM

While interesting to hear from them, I don't really think they have any special insights to offer. I would be more interested in hearing from someone trained in bio-mechanics in regards to injuries. They might have something more than an educated guess to offer.

smalishah84 · 27-10-2011, 04:25 AM

but that is what they all seem to be saying. That more bio-mechanics is actually ruining the players

Manee · 27-10-2011, 07:04 AM

Biomechanics and physical training seems to be why the likes of Broad and Finn have gone from 135kph bowlers to 145kph bowlers. Such an effect can surely not be wholly negative.

Outswinger@Pace · 27-10-2011, 07:09 AM

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but that is what they all seem to be saying. That more bio-mechanics is actually ruining the players

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Originally Posted by Manee

Biomechanics and physical training seems to be why the likes of Broad and Finn have gone from 135kph bowlers to 145kph bowlers. Such an effect can surely not be wholly negative.

I think the key is finding the right balance. That's what the greats mention in the article too.

Debris · 27-10-2011, 07:27 AM

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I think the key is finding the right balance. That's what the greats mention in the article too.

I can't really see an issue of balance. There is no real downside to understanding how stresses affect the body and studying to find out what makes a bowling action effective. You do get the occasional case where a bowler changes his action for health reasons and it makes him less effective, I guess.

The real problem, I suspect, is that it is all applied rather half-heartedly at the moment. Sports like running and swimming show the real benefits of bio-mechanics applied properly.

27-10-2011, 01:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
wellAlbidarned International Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: spaghetti Posts: 4,987	Slightly related, I read something which said that hi-tech cushioned bowling boots are actually increasing the frequency of ankle and foot injury by weakening the various muscles and tendons due to their relative lack of use. __________________ "MTV isn't really my cup of tea... mostly because I hate huge pieces of **** in my tea." - Aziz Ansari

27-10-2011, 01:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,856	a very interesting article I also this up on cricinfo today. Andy Roberts had some interesting stuff to say. Also I think Clive Rice or somebody mentioned how the workload in the country circuit used to be so high even in those days __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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27-10-2011, 01:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,742	Nah. Old folks having a sook thats all. Eagerly await flaming

27-10-2011, 02:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,382	There is just as many great fast bowlers from the 90s/00s as there are in any other era.

27-10-2011, 03:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Agent Nationaux Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 8,266	In an interview Holding once said that Marshall used to tie weights around his legs whilst doing his normal stuff throughout the day.

27-10-2011, 03:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,856	i think he said that in ESPN Legends of cricket series on Marshall

27-10-2011, 04:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
intcricket U19 12th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: India Posts: 203	The problem is that bowlers have taken the "fast" out of "fast bowlers".

27-10-2011, 04:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
Debris State Vice-Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sydney Posts: 1,259	While interesting to hear from them, I don't really think they have any special insights to offer. I would be more interested in hearing from someone trained in bio-mechanics in regards to injuries. They might have something more than an educated guess to offer.

27-10-2011, 04:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,856	but that is what they all seem to be saying. That more bio-mechanics is actually ruining the players

27-10-2011, 07:04 AM	#13 (permalink)
Manee Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Heaven Posts: 8,201	Biomechanics and physical training seems to be why the likes of Broad and Finn have gone from 135kph bowlers to 145kph bowlers. Such an effect can surely not be wholly negative.

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