Ajmal vs Swann

ganeshran · 23-10-2011, 10:24 AM

Both can stake claim to be the best off spinner in the world now. Who do you guys reckon is better

marc71178 · 23-10-2011, 10:25 AM

If by both you mean Swann then I agree completely with you.

BoyBrumby · 23-10-2011, 10:29 AM

Hmm.

Looks like troll bait to me.

Anyway, even if one suspects Swann is a bit overrated, at least his action is beyond reproach.

ganeshran · 23-10-2011, 10:30 AM

Troll bait? Why is that

If comparison threads are not allowed, mods please delete it. My intention is not to to troll.

Howe_zat · 23-10-2011, 10:34 AM

This thread is set to get very ugly very quickly.

Still won't get as as ugly as Ajmal's bowling, though.

Cabinet96 · 23-10-2011, 10:35 AM

Ajmal isn't bad at all, but I don't think he's as good as Swann. Certainly in tests.

flibbertyjibber · 23-10-2011, 10:40 AM

Well Ajmal has more of a claim to be just behind Swann than Harbhajan.

Agent Nationaux · 23-10-2011, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Howe_zat

This thread is set to get very ugly very quickly.

Still won't get as as ugly as Ajmal's bowling, though.

Why do you think it will get ugly? Most people think Swann is the best in the world plus Ajmal has only really done well against minnows and yes he is a chucker.

ganeshran · 23-10-2011, 10:45 AM

In tests Swann has really done well against quality sides. In ODIs Ajmal is very good. Also he has the doosra which Swann hasnt managed to develop yet

vic_orthdox · 23-10-2011, 10:48 AM

Having a doosra doesn't mean that someone's a better bowler, otherwise Alex Loudon might've been famous enough to keep Pippa Middleton.

Agent Nationaux · 23-10-2011, 10:49 AM

Ajmal throws the doosra every other ball. Batsmen will soon start to pick it up.

ganeshran · 23-10-2011, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vic_orthdox

Having a doosra doesn't mean that someone's a better bowler, otherwise Alex Loudon might've been famous enough to keep Pippa Middleton.

It didnt say Doosra makes him better than Swann. but it is still a potent tool in a bowler's arsenal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux

Ajmal throws the doosra every other ball. Batsmen will soon start to pick it up.

ya he does overbowl it a lot. It should be more like an occasional delivery to surprise the batsman.

Redbacks · 23-10-2011, 12:17 PM

So now it's the poms turn to have each of their players constantly compared with others from a weaker side.

Those were the days

zaremba · 23-10-2011, 02:39 PM

Two of my favourite characters in the game. Probably not too dissimilar in quality, but Swann has the edge for at least pretending to keep his bowling arm straightish.

Woodster · 23-10-2011, 03:33 PM

I don't wish to move this thread into a debate over whether Ajmal chucks it or not, he's allowed to bowl in international cricket, and he can still use his doosra, so I'm going to judge this face-off on all things being level in that respect.

I like Ajmal, he's not a defensive off-spinner, and with his ability to turn the ball away from the bat it no doubt increases his threat immeasurably. Like Swann he doesn't necessarily need the pitch to assist him in a big way to have an impact, he's patient, has good variations off the deck and through the air, and has to be considered one of the best around, but at 34 he's unlikely to have enough time to get to the very top.

Currently, for me Swann is still ahead of Ajmal, a Test series in India for Swann still remains a big test for the new and improved Swann, but even the great Shane Warne didn't conquer the opposition there, and it is not the be all and end all, but a good series for him in India will confirm his ranking as the very best.

When Swann isn't taking wickets he's still keeping things economical and working to an alternative plan. His line is generally attacking outisde the off stump, and he too can beat the bat on the outside without having the use of the doosra. Am hoping to see Swann return to his absolute threatening best when we come across Pakistan at the start of next year.

23-10-2011, 10:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	Ajmal vs Swann Both can stake claim to be the best off spinner in the world now. Who do you guys reckon is better

23-10-2011, 10:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	If by both you mean Swann then I agree completely with you. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

23-10-2011, 10:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,642	Hmm. Looks like troll bait to me. Anyway, even if one suspects Swann is a bit overrated, at least his action is beyond reproach. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

23-10-2011, 10:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
Howe_zat International Coach Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Top floor, bottom buzzer Posts: 13,881	This thread is set to get very ugly very quickly. Still won't get as as ugly as Ajmal's bowling, though. __________________ Maybe we wouldn't be so quick to fill buckets with filth if we knew they had a soul. Or maybe that's what they're into. Ain't no way to get inside a bucket's mind.

23-10-2011, 03:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Woodster Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester, England Posts: 5,153	I don't wish to move this thread into a debate over whether Ajmal chucks it or not, he's allowed to bowl in international cricket, and he can still use his doosra, so I'm going to judge this face-off on all things being level in that respect. I like Ajmal, he's not a defensive off-spinner, and with his ability to turn the ball away from the bat it no doubt increases his threat immeasurably. Like Swann he doesn't necessarily need the pitch to assist him in a big way to have an impact, he's patient, has good variations off the deck and through the air, and has to be considered one of the best around, but at 34 he's unlikely to have enough time to get to the very top. Currently, for me Swann is still ahead of Ajmal, a Test series in India for Swann still remains a big test for the new and improved Swann, but even the great Shane Warne didn't conquer the opposition there, and it is not the be all and end all, but a good series for him in India will confirm his ranking as the very best. When Swann isn't taking wickets he's still keeping things economical and working to an alternative plan. His line is generally attacking outisde the off stump, and he too can beat the bat on the outside without having the use of the doosra. Am hoping to see Swann return to his absolute threatening best when we come across Pakistan at the start of next year. __________________ http://batallday.blogspot.com/ - Cricket blog dedicated to domestic cricket.

23-10-2011, 10:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	Troll bait? Why is that If comparison threads are not allowed, mods please delete it. My intention is not to to troll.

23-10-2011, 10:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,122	Ajmal isn't bad at all, but I don't think he's as good as Swann. Certainly in tests.

23-10-2011, 10:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
flibbertyjibber Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: England Posts: 7,943	Well Ajmal has more of a claim to be just behind Swann than Harbhajan.

23-10-2011, 10:45 AM	#9 (permalink)
ganeshran International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: India Posts: 2,295	In tests Swann has really done well against quality sides. In ODIs Ajmal is very good. Also he has the doosra which Swann hasnt managed to develop yet

23-10-2011, 10:48 AM	#10 (permalink)
vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,368	Having a doosra doesn't mean that someone's a better bowler, otherwise Alex Loudon might've been famous enough to keep Pippa Middleton.

23-10-2011, 10:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
Agent Nationaux Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 8,279	Ajmal throws the doosra every other ball. Batsmen will soon start to pick it up.

23-10-2011, 12:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Redbacks International Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Barrow Island, WA Posts: 4,063	So now it's the poms turn to have each of their players constantly compared with others from a weaker side. Those were the days

23-10-2011, 02:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
zaremba Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chez les Ashes Posts: 8,730	Two of my favourite characters in the game. Probably not too dissimilar in quality, but Swann has the edge for at least pretending to keep his bowling arm straightish.

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