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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Update: Every innings rated over 15.00

    4 G.A. Gooch 154* West Indies Leeds 1991 23.55
    Really special innings by Gooch, Marshall was way past his best but Ambrose was approaching his very best. Innings even better considering the carnage being wrought all around him.

    Even at the very end of his career Dujon was still exceptional, really under rated keeper. If he had more practice against spinners would have been gun vs them as well. Hooper too was also one of the very best slippers of all time, just an amazing pair of hands.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Well, it was a close draw so the base innings rating was multiplied by 1.20, as opposed to 1.10 for draws and 1.30 for wins. But the bowling opposition was fairly average, so they lose ground there.

    EDIT: ****, I thought you were still referring to Johannesburg. I'll do Adelaide tomorrow.
    What's the latest on the All Time bowler ratings DoG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    What's the latest on the All Time bowler ratings DoG?
    Coming along, although I have changed the formula. Settled on one now and it should be out by this summer.
    Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan


    Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood


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    I forgot to incorporate New Zealand's first innings lead at Eden park in McCullum's double ton, so actually it drops down the list to no. 94. But BMac still holds no.1 and no.4 spots in New Zealand's greatest test innings.


    Here is the 15.00+ list again, with other innings of note below.

    1 B.C. Lara 153* Australia Bridgetown 1999 23.39
    2 G.A. Gooch 154* West Indies Leeds 1991 23.25
    3 I.T. Botham 149* Australia Leeds 1981 23.01
    4 D.G. Bradman 270 England Melbourne 1937 21.75
    5 V.V.S. Laxman 281 Australia Kolkata 2001 21.40
    6 C. Hill 188 England Melbourne 1898 21.30
    7 Azhar Mahmood 132 South Africa Durban 1998 21.16
    8 C. Bannerman 165* England Melbourne 1877 21.12
    9 V. Sehwag 201* Sri Lanka Galle 2008 19.92
    10 C.L. Walcott 220 England Bridgetown 1954 19.56
    11 K.J. Hughes 100* West Indies Melbourne 1981 19.30
    12 D.P.M.D. Jayawardene 180 England Galle 2012 19.20
    13 B.C. Lara 213 Australia Kingston 1999 19.14
    14 B.B. McCullum 302 India Wellington 2014 19.14
    15 Younis Khan 200* Zimbabwe Harare 2013 19.04
    16 A.C. Gilchrist 149* Pakistan Hobart 1999 18.90
    17 R.N. Harvey 167 England Melbourne 1959 18.77
    18 G.L. Jessop 104 Australia The Oval 1902 18.65
    19 C.G. Greenidge 214* England Lord's 1984 18.54
    20 S.T. Jayasuriya 253 Pakistan Faisalabad 2004 18.43
    21 S.M. Gavaskar 236* West Indies Madras 1983 18.42
    22 Mohammad Wasim 192 Zimbabwe Harare 1998 18.37
    23 L. Klusener 118 Sri Lanka Kandy 2000 18.26
    24 D.G. Bradman 334 England Leeds 1930 18.15
    25 P.F. Warner 132* South Africa Johannesburg 1899 18.11
    26 J. Ryder 201* England Adelaide 1925 18.01
    27 G.S. Chappell 182* West Indies Sydney 1976 17.98
    28 D.L. Amiss 262* West Indies Kingston 1974 17.86
    29 Saeed Anwar 188 India Kolkata 1999 17.82
    30 N. Kapil Dev 129 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1992 17.78
    31 B.C. Lara 226 Australia Adelaide 2005 17.74
    32 Asif Iqbal 146 England The Oval 1967 17.73
    33 I.J.L. Trott 184 Pakistan Lord's 2010 17.71
    34 G.S. Chappell 176 New Zealand Christchurch 1982 17.71
    35 Hanif Mohammad 337 West Indies Bridgetown 1958 17.70
    36 G.C. Smith 154* England Birmingham 2008 17.66
    37 M.J. Clarke 151 South Africa Cape Town 2011 17.66
    38 K.C. Sangakkara 156* New Zealand Wellington 2006 17.39
    39 D.G. Bradman 299* South Africa Adelaide 1932 17.26
    40 S.M. Gavaskar 221 England The Oval 1979 17.01
    41 C.G. Greenidge 134 England Manchester 1976 16.97
    42 R. Dravid 233 Australia Adelaide 2003 16.95
    43 R.E. Foster 287 Australia Sydney 1903 16.95
    44 O.G. Smith 168 England Nottingham 1957 16.82
    45 B. Mitchell 164* England Lord's 1935 16.81
    46 D.L. Amiss 179 India Delhi 1976 16.79
    47 M.E. Trescothick 180 South Africa Johannesburg 2005 16.77
    48 M.A. Butcher 173* Australia Leeds 2001 16.77
    49 V.V.S. Laxman 167 Australia Sydney 2000 16.72
    50 M.N. Samuels 123 New Zealand Kingston 2012 16.71
    51 M.C. Cowdrey 102 Australia Melbourne 1954 16.70
    52 G. Kirsten 100* Pakistan Faisalabad 1997 16.62
    53 S.J. McCabe 232 England Nottingham 1938 16.61
    54 G.A. Headley 270* England Kingston 1935 16.51
    55 D.G. Bradman 212 England Adelaide 1937 16.50
    56 S.C.J. Broad 169 Pakistan Lord's 2010 16.44
    57 G.J. Bonnor 128 England Sydney 1885 16.40
    58 J.L. Langer 166 Sri Lanka Colombo 2004 16.34
    59 M.E. Waugh 116 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1997 16.32
    60 C.H. Lloyd 161* India Calcutta 1983 16.31
    61 G.R. Viswanath 114 Australia Melbourne 1981 16.24
    62 G.R. Viswanath 97* West Indies Madras 1975 16.23
    63 P.S. McDonnell 147 England Sydney 1882 16.17
    64 M.J. Slater 123 England Sydney 1999 16.16
    65 G.P. Thorpe 113* Sri Lanka Colombo 2001 16.04
    66 Hanif Mohammad 187 England Lord's 1967 16.00
    67 J.V. Coney 111* Pakistan Dunedin 1985 16.00
    68 Saleem Malik 237 Australia Rawalpindi 1994 15.98
    69 G.P. Thorpe 119* West Indies Bridgetown 2004 15.98
    70 V. Sehwag 319 South Africa Chennai 2008 15.97
    71 V.T. Trumper 159 South Africa Melbourne 1911 15.95
    72 L. Hutton 62* Australia Brisbane 1950 15.95
    73 J.L. Langer 191 Pakistan Perth 2004 15.90
    74 R.N. Harvey 151* South Africa Durban 1950 15.90
    75 C.G. Greenidge 213 New Zealand Auckland 1987 15.78
    76 R.T. Simpson 156* Australia Melbourne 1951 15.77
    77 S.R. Tendulkar 169 South Africa Cape Town 1997 15.75
    78 S.J. McCabe 187* England Sydney 1932 15.72
    79 Inzamam-ul-Haq 329 New Zealand Lahore 2002 15.68
    80 R.A. Smith 148* West Indies Lord's 1991 15.66
    81 D.G. Bradman 226 South Africa Brisbane 1931 15.65
    82 GA Faulkner 123 England Johannesburg 1910 15.62
    83 R.G. Pollock 125 England Nottingham 1965 15.62
    84 Inzamam-ul-Haq 138* Bangladesh Multan 2003 15.60
    85 W.W. Armstrong 159* South Africa Johannesburg 1902 15.60
    86 C.L. Cairns 80 England The Oval 1999 15.58
    87 K.C. Sangakkara 211 Pakistan Abu Dubai 2011 15.54
    88 G.P. Thorpe 200* New Zealand Christchurch 2002 15.53
    89 K.P. Pietersen 158 Australia The Oval 2005 15.45
    90 C.G. Greenidge 226 Australia Bridgetown 1991 15.40
    91 Kamran Akmal 113 India Karachi 2006 15.37
    92 D.G. Bradman 304 England Leeds 1934 15.28
    93 G. Kirsten 275 England Durban 1999 15.21
    94 B.B. McCullum 224 India Auckland 2014 15.21
    95 J.L. Langer 127 Pakistan Hobart 1999 15.21
    96 D.G. Bradman 103* England Melbourne 1933 15.17
    97 K.C. Sangakkara 92 England Kandy 2007 15.08
    98 A.C. Gilchrist 144 Bangladesh Fatullah 2006 15.07
    99 I.V.A. Richards 182* England Bridgetown 1981 15.05
    100 H.P. Tillakaratne 115 Pakistan Faisalabad 1995 15.04
    101 D.M. Jones 184* England Sydney 1987 15.03
    102 Younis Khan 267 India Bangalore 2005 15.01


    102 D.N. Sardesai 212 West Indies Kingston 1971 14.99
    103 M. Azharuddin 163* South Africa Kanpur 1996 14.95
    104 M.J. Greatbatch 146* Australia Perth 1989 14.85
    105 GM Turner 223* West Indies Kingston 1972 14.30
    106 S.P. Fleming 274* Sri Lanka Colombo 2003 14.24
    107 N.J. Astle 222 England Christchurch 2002 14.06
    108 M.S. Dhoni 224 Australia Chennai 2013 13.64
    109 GM Turner 110* Australia Christchurch 1974 13.42
    110 M.D. Crowe 299 Sri Lanka Wellington 1991 13.16
    111 F du Plessis 110* Australia Adelaide 2012 13.03
    112 B.B. McCullum 225 India Hyderabad 2010 12.91
    113 SPD Smith 115 England Sydney 2014 12.31
    114 M.D. Crowe 188 West Indies Georgetown 1985 12.21
    115 BA Edgar 161 Australia Auckland 1982 11.74
    116 BJ Haddin 94 England Brisbane 2013 11.52
    117 JV Coney 174* England Wellington 1984 11.04
    118 CA Pujara 153 South Africa Johannesburg 2013 10.06
    119 V Kohli 119 South Africa Johannesburg 2013 9.90
    120 N.J. Astle 156* Australia Perth 2001 9.13
    121 F du Plessis 134 India Johannesburg 2013 9.04
    122 CL Cairns 158 South Africa Auckland 2004 8.88
    123 B.J. Watling 124 India Wellington 2014 8.84
    124 AB de Villiers 103 India Johannesburg 2013 6.90

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    Fully Revised and Updated!

    1 IT Botham 149* Australia Leeds 1981 18.26
    2 BC Lara 153* Australia Bridgetown 1999 17.38
    3 GA Gooch 154* West Indies Leeds 1991 16.95
    4 VVS Laxman 281 Australia Kolkata 2001 16.79
    5 Azhar Mahmood 132 South Africa Durban 1998 16.16
    6 DG Bradman 270 England Melbourne 1937 16.00
    7 C Bannerman 165* England Melbourne 1877 15.89
    8 C Hill 188 England Melbourne 1898 15.80
    9 V. Sehwag 201* Sri Lanka Galle 2008 15.62
    10 Hanif Mohammad 337 West Indies Bridgetown 1958 14.98
    11 AC Gilchrist 149* Pakistan Hobart 1999 14.93
    12 CL Walcott 220 England Bridgetown 1954 14.71
    13 BC Lara 213 Australia Kingston 1999 14.69
    14 CG Greenidge 214* England Lord's 1984 14.65
    15 SM Gavaskar 236* West Indies Chennai 1983 14.61
    16 GL Jessop 104 Australia The Oval 1902 14.61
    17 D.P.M.D. Jayawardene 180 England Galle 2012 14.56
    18 KJ Hughes 100* West Indies Melbourne 1981 14.38
    19 ST Jayasuriya 253 Pakistan Faisalabad 2004 14.33
    20 Saeed Anwar 188 India Kolkata 1999 14.32
    21 DG Bradman 334 England Leeds 1930 14.22
    22 B.B. McCullum 302 India Wellington 2014 14.11
    23 RN Harvey 167 England Melbourne 1959 14.08
    24 I.J.L. Trott 184 Pakistan Lord's 2010 14.08
    25 Younis Khan 200* Zimbabwe Harare 2013 14.03
    26 V. Sehwag 319 South Africa Chennai 2008 14.00
    27 Mohammad Wasim 192 Zimbabwe Harare 1998 13.97
    28 DL Amiss 262* West Indies Kingston 1974 13.89
    29 R Dravid 233 Australia Adelaide 2003 13.81
    30 SJ McCabe 232 England Nottingham 1938 13.76
    31 GJ Bonnor 128 England Sydney 1885 13.75
    32 Hanif Mohammad 187 England Lord's 1967 13.73
    33 Asif Iqbal 146 England The Oval 1967 13.61
    34 J Ryder 201* England Adelaide 1925 13.53
    35 BC Lara 226 Australia Adelaide 2005 13.49
    36 GS Chappell 182* West Indies Sydney 1976 13.46
    37 NJ Astle 222 England Christchurch 2002 13.44
    38 Inzamam-ul-Haq 329 New Zealand Lahore 2002 13.44
    39 G.C. Smith 154* England Birmingham 2008 13.36
    40 RE Foster 287 Australia Sydney 1903 13.33
    41 M.J. Clarke 151 South Africa Cape Town 2011 13.29
    42 N Kapil Dev 129 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1992 13.26
    43 MA Butcher 173* Australia Leeds 2001 13.25
    44 G Kirsten 100* Pakistan Faisalabad 1997 13.24
    45 OG Smith 168 England Nottingham 1957 13.22
    46 B Mitchell 164* England Lord's 1935 13.21
    47 L Klusener 118 Sri Lanka Kandy 2000 13.16
    48 CG Greenidge 134 England Manchester 1976 13.10
    49 GS Chappell 176 New Zealand Christchurch 1982 13.01
    50 VVS Laxman 167 Australia Sydney 2000 12.95
    51 S.C.J. Broad 169 Pakistan Lord's 2010 12.88
    52 DG Bradman 299* South Africa Adelaide 1932 12.81
    53 PS McDonnell 147 England Sydney 1882 12.75
    54 KC Sangakkara 156* New Zealand Wellington 2006 12.74
    55 L Hutton 62* Australia Brisbane 1950 12.73
    56 GR Viswanath 97* West Indies Chennai 1975 12.70
    57 ME Trescothick 180 South Africa Johannesburg 2005 12.70
    58 DG Bradman 304 England Leeds 1934 12.68
    59 CH Lloyd 161* India Kolkata 1983 12.67
    60 DS Atkinson 219 Australia Bridgetown 1955 12.64
    61 WW Armstrong 159* South Africa Johannesburg 1902 12.64
    62 GP Thorpe 113* Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 2001 12.63
    63 SM Gavaskar 221 England The Oval 1979 12.62
    64 VT Trumper 159 South Africa Melbourne 1911 12.59
    65 MC Cowdrey 102 Australia Melbourne 1954 12.58
    66 JV Coney 111* Pakistan Dunedin 1985 12.54
    67 DL Amiss 179 India Delhi 1976 12.53
    68 GA Headley 270* England Kingston 1935 12.51
    69 MN Samuels 123 New Zealand Kingston 2012 12.50
    70 JL Langer 191 Pakistan Perth 2004 12.48
    71 RN Harvey 151* South Africa Durban 1950 12.40
    72 Kamran Akmal 113 India Karachi 2006 12.37
    73 KP Pietersen 158 Australia The Oval 2005 12.35
    74 MJ Clarke 329* India Sydney 2012 12.30
    75 CL Cairns 80 England The Oval 1999 12.29
    76 B.B. McCullum 224 India Auckland 2014 12.22
    77 DG Bradman 212 England Adelaide 1937 12.21
    78 GP Thorpe 119* West Indies Bridgetown 2004 12.17
    79 MJ Slater 123 England Sydney 1999 12.17
    80 AW Nourse 93* England Johannesburg 1906 12.13
    81 DG Bradman 103* England Melbourne 1933 12.05
    82 PHB May 285 West Indies Birmingham 1957 12.03
    83 PF Warner 132* South Africa Johannesburg 1899 12.02
    84 SJ McCabe 187* England Sydney 1932 12.01
    85 CG Greenidge 226 Australia Bridgetown 1991 12.00
    86 Saleem Malik 237 Australia Rawalpindi 1994 11.99
    87 DN Sardesai 212 West Indies Kingston 1971 11.93
    88 DG Bradman 226 South Africa Brisbane 1931 11.92
    89 GM Turner 223* West Indies Kingston 1972 11.92
    90 RT Simpson 156* Australia Melbourne 1951 11.84
    91 GA Faulkner 123 England Johannesburg 1910 11.81
    92 ME Waugh 116 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1997 11.80
    93 BC Lara 375 England St. John's 1994 11.79
    94 FMM Worrell 191* England Nottingham 1957 11.76
    95 RG Pollock 125 England Nottingham 1965 11.72
    96 DM Jones 184* England Sydney 1987 11.67
    97 JL Langer 127 Pakistan Hobart 1999 11.65
    98 Inzamam-ul-Haq 138* Bangladesh Multan 2003 11.62
    99 VVS Laxman 73* Australia Mohali 2010 11.59
    100 RA Smith 148* West Indies Lord's 1991 11.56


    Top 10 New Zealand Innings:

    1 B.B. McCullum 302 India Wellington 2014 14.11
    2 NJ Astle 222 England Christchurch 2002 13.44
    3 JV Coney 111* Pakistan Dunedin 1985 12.54
    4 CL Cairns 80 England The Oval 1999 12.29
    5 B.B. McCullum 224 India Auckland 2014 12.22
    6 GM Turner 223* West Indies Kingston 1972 11.92
    7 MJ Greatbatch 146* Australia Perth 1989 11.44
    8 SP Fleming 274* Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 2003 11.25
    9 SP Fleming 262 South Africa Cape Town 2006 11.24
    10 GM Turner 110* Australia Christchurch 1974 10.62



    This is the final version. I have driven myself almost completely bat**** before finally settling on the formula. It actually looks really good. You'll probably notice that innings in draws and losses are rated a lot closer to innings in wins. I believe this is how it should be, since the ultimate result of the match should not have too much of a weighting on the final rating of an individual batsman's knock.

    Happy reading. I'm take requests to any queries for favorite innings, etc.
    Last edited by Days of Grace; 15-08-2014 at 07:27 AM.

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    Could you give me a figure for Sinclair's ton against South Africa by any chance?
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    Marto's best knock? x
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    Chris Martin's?

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    Could you rate Rahane's Lord's ton?

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    Can you rate Atherton's 185* in 95 at Jo'Burg and his 98* at Trent Bridge in 1998?

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    I would actually put Botham's 118 @ Old Trafford ahead of his Headingley innings.

    The latter was, was much of the time, a pressure off slog. Even when England got a few runs ahead there wasn't much of a feeling that it mattered.

    In the 118 England were very well placed at the start of the day but had thrown the advantage away. Australia were on top and were in danger of becoming favourites to win the match. This was a 'proper' innings in which he played himself in and only put up one lose shot (a very difficult skier to Mike Whitney) throughout.

    With Lara's 153* in 1999 and Gooch's 154* in 1990 (this was not an easy pitch, as someone wrongly suggested earlier) this s the best Test innings I've seen.

    Surprised that Sutcliffe's innings at The Oval in 1926 didn't get listed (surely Hobbs had one or two worthy of note as well).

    Also a couple from the same game. Trumper 74 out of 122 at Melbourne in 1903/04 on a bad pitch and John Tydlesley 62 out of 103 when it was, by accounts, even worse.

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    I like the factors you have used, not necessarily the way you've used them. Especially this one:
    "Runs scored by other batsmen in the same team innings, divided by the number of batsmen used."
    seems to have some value in it.

    I've done a similar scorecard based 11-factor innings ratings:
    cricrate | Test Batting Ratings

    I average the innings ratings (adding a longevity bonus) over a player's career to rate their careers, which made me have to increase the weight given to runs scored over other factors. That's why the known innings like Lara's 153* and Botham's 149* don't feature right at the top - something I wonder whether is a real issue. Was the 153* really better than his 277, or any one of his big doubles?

    If you went with this same formula to rate every single innings a batsmen played, most likely you would find that the accepted ATGs won't feature in the list the way you would expect.
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    Hey DoG, I'm curious to know Hayden's rating in the Hayden 119 vs Pakistan 59 & 53 game.

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    Marvelous work.

    I'd like to know how Kane Williamson's century in the final test of the West Indies tour this year rates.

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