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Performance of Subcontinental Fast Bowlers Outside the Subcontinent
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Xuhaib
International Coach
Not surprised sub cont fast bowlers feed on dry conditions as that brings reverse swing in to play hence they have better home records.This is why I feel uncomfortable when people call Mahela or Mo Yo FTB and let KP and Hussy get away with it a cricketer will naturally be more comfortable in conditions he's brought up on.
fredfertang
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
A point I repeatedly make when people bring up that Wasim, Waqar etc had to contend with "dead" home pitches. That they do worse in supposedly more "bowler friendly" conditions tends to get ignored.
Before the England v India series all the talk was "let's see how Ishant and Sree go when they get more favourable conditions". They then both utterly wasted any assistance they got. Ishant, in particular, is a far better bowler in India; the West Indies series aside, he has been a total failure outside India.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Interesting results when one considers just England & NZ, by repute the two most swing-friendly countries. Statsguru.
Shows how very good Amir & Asif could/should have been and also how well Zak has done. Only non-Pakistani in the top 9.
Shows how very good Amir & Asif could/should have been and also how well Zak has done. Only non-Pakistani in the top 9.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Haha, Wasim's record in New Zealand is ludicrous. IIRC no foreign bowler has taken more wickets there than Wasim.
Qualifier for Amir's record in NZ - he was on debut and the fielding for that series was abysmal.
flibbertyjibber
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I bet Waqar had a far better record than that at one stage too as he was selected on reputation for most of his last 4 years as an international in much the same way as Botham was for England years before.
No great surprise to see the Pakistan bowlers at the top and the rest miles behind either.
No great surprise to see the Pakistan bowlers at the top and the rest miles behind either.
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Days of Grace
International Captain
Qualifier for Wasim: New Zealand cricket was in its lowest modern-day ebb at the time.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
I believe that is now?Qualifier for Wasim: New Zealand cricket was in its lowest modern-day ebb at the time.
Wasim almost always played against Fleming's or Crowe's NZ I presume? Those two are the relative highs for NZ cricket I suppose...
Days of Grace
International Captain
1992/93 in one test and 1993/94 in three tests was when Wasim took most of his New Zealand wickets, IIRC.
The New Zealand batting lineup at that time was fairly brittle.
The New Zealand batting lineup at that time was fairly brittle.
CricAddict
Cricketer Of The Year
I believe, I presume, I suppose
Very rare that one comes across such a doubtful message
No offence meant, just writing off the top of my mind.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
NZ batting lineup was always relatively brittle tbh
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
..so was I ... was too lazy to refer espncricinfo or howstat...
Athlai
Not Terrible
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
Enough names in there for it to be fairly representative of what we could offer tbf.
The batting Wasim faced in 85 was fairly decent.
smash84
The Tiger King
Imran probably the most well rounded of the lot
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling
Jacknife
International Captain
I get what your saying and it's a given in most cases that players are more comfortable in their home conditions, even though there are exceptions like Cook who averages more away from home 54 away to 46 home. KP has a 9 point difference between his home and away numbers, 45 home 54 away.
Mo Yo has a 20 point difference 65 home 45 away
Mahela has a 22 point difference 63 home 41 away
Hussey has a 17 point differenc 62 home 45 away
Personally wouldn't call any of them FTB but didn't get where you came from putting KP in that supposed list.
Migara
Cricketer Of The Year
Better would be to compare averages in SC vs averages outside of SC. Then you'll start to find interesting things about players.