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    Bowler batting skills

    Looking over historic team selections, it seems to me that unless you are Murali, nearly every spinner I can think of has been reasonable with the bat. The same is definitely untrue for fast bowlers. Why is this?

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    I was thinking about this recently too. It's definitely true that when bowlers are picked in part to bat at a no.8, it happens a lot more often with spinners - there are after all some coaches that seem to believe this is the main point of a spinner. Conversely, if a batsman decides to turn his arm over, more often than not he'll tend to come on for a tweak rather than for a burst.

    I think a lot of it's to do with the sheer physical effort of fast bowling. It takes a lot out of you on the field, in the nets and in coaching.

    Often when a spinner is also a handy no.8, it's because they've been around for a long time and have steadily got to grips with their batting thanks to coaches. Alternatively, a batsman has steadily improved his part-time tweak into something substantial.

    It could also be that, when a player is young rising through the ranks, they mostly have two strings to their bow anyway - but if one of them is fast bowling, that tends to take precedence over anything else because of the physical challenge it is to mould it. If it's spin bowling, there's a better chance for the player to keep going with both disciplines.

    This is also all true of medium-pace trundle as well as spin, it's just that we rarely see much medium pace in Test cricket now.
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    Plenty of spinners historically who couldn't bat tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    Plenty of spinners historically who couldn't bat tbh.
    Yeah, but a lot fewer than quick bowlers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Yeah, but a lot fewer than quick bowlers.
    In general there are more quick bowlers per lineup than spinners. Odds are you would find more fast bowlers who cant bat than spinners.

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    I'm amazed that a lot of quicks remember to breathe, quite frankly, so expecting them to be able to bat is a bit unreasonable.

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    You have to be able to provide more than just bowling in the main as a spinner, because it is more likely than a quick that you will have to be carried through one innings to provide extra potency in the second innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    In general there are more quick bowlers per lineup than spinners. Odds are you would find more fast bowlers who cant bat than spinners.
    Well, yes, I mean relatively speaking, there's more chance of a batsman being a rabbit if he's a fast bowler than a spinner. Most tailend batting records (e.g. most runs without a century, most runs from #8, most runs from #9, and those records from various countries) will be held by a spinner, and that's despite there being fewer spinners in the game than quicks.

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    Best number 11 batsmen. There are a good number of quick bowlers in there:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    Best number 11 batsmen. There are a good number of quick bowlers in there:

    Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
    Well yes, but that doesn't really contradict me because the #11 is the worst batsman in the side. Performing with the bat from #11 just means they exceeded expectations, as only those down to #9 are going to be picked with their batting in mind.

    Besides, 4 of the top 8 on that list are spinners anyway.

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    spinners are a superior race
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Well yes, but that doesn't really contradict me because the #11 is the worst batsman in the side. Performing with the bat from #11 just means they exceeded expectations, as only those down to #9 are going to be picked with their batting in mind.

    Besides, 4 of the top 8 on that list are spinners anyway.
    Yeah posted that because I went and checked it out myself since Statsguru was open. Its an interesting list. Didn't know Rhodes batted as low as that on occasions. At the very bottom of the list, there are quite a few spin bowlers there who weren't as good as some of the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    I'm amazed that a lot of quicks remember to breathe, quite frankly, so expecting them to be able to bat is a bit unreasonable.
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    Kallis is a reasonable bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post

    I think a lot of it's to do with the sheer physical effort of fast bowling. It takes a lot out of you on the field, in the nets and in coaching.
    Good try but this doesn't seem likely - I don't see why getting tired in the nets should stop you from being a good batsman.

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