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    Regarding Fred Trueman

    I was wondering why Fred Trueman isn't really rated that highly at cricinfo given that the stats brigade is quite strong here at CW.

    On a more serious note the guy has a fantastic record and unfortunately a lot of us couldn't see him bowl and I wonder why his name doesn't get thrown around too often in the discussion of best fast bowlers here on CW

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    I rate him very highly one of the greatest ever but not unsurprisingly with not a lot of footage around of him, he gets pushed to the back of queue in favor of more modern fast bowlers.

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    Definitely one of England's greats.....used in tandem with Brian Staham formed a lethal opening bowling partnership. Definitely equal as a pair as Lillee/Thommo etc etc
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    from what I know Statham was not quite as good as Trueman right?


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    I rate him quite highly as well. Probably the best English bowler along with Barnes and possibly Larwood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    from what I know Statham was not quite as good as Trueman right?
    Pretty much on a par even if you consider "the bloody stats".
    Trueman 307 test wickets @ econ rate of 2.62 over 67 Tests in 14 years
    Statham 252 test wickets@ econ rate of 2.34 over 70 Tests in the same time period

    So, the magic figures(lol) show not much between them BUT it was together in tandem they put the fear of god into opposing batsmen

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    As far as I know, Statham was pretty much a support act. Was he something more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    As far as I know, Statham was pretty much a support act. Was he something more?
    IMPO and of what I saw they were a perfect foil for each other. As for the question was one better.....mmmmmm....maybe Trueman would get the nudge over the line...Just

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    Yeah, pretty much like Ambrose and Walsh I think. Calling Walsh just a support act won't be doing justice to him, but yeah Ambrose was the better bowler overall perhaps.
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    From what I've read, modern comparisons might be
    Statham - McGrath
    Trueman - Steyn.

    I'm not saying Statham was as good as McGrath, btw, I'm just saying that he's the obvious comparison. Accurate, uncomplicated, and relentless.

    Trueman a bit quicker, getting quite big outswing at a good pace.

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    Like most forumers, I've never seen Trueman live. But do rate him very, very highly. He's in the top pantheon of new ball bowlers for mine. My feeling is that his (mis)adventures with the microphone after his retirement as a cricketer may have soured some people's opinions of him. As a fast/swing bowler, he was par excellence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    from what I know Statham was not quite as good as Trueman right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Himannv View Post
    As far as I know, Statham was pretty much a support act. Was he something more?
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    IMPO and of what I saw they were a perfect foil for each other. As for the question was one better.....mmmmmm....maybe Trueman would get the nudge over the line...Just
    Yeah, Trueman was and still is generally considered the greater of the two, although interestingly Tom Graveney - who played plenty of cricket with both men - in his book of Top 10s rated Brian Statham the fourth greatest post-war fast bowler (in 1982), ahead of Trueman who he ranked fifth.

    Both all-time greats, no question, and certainly one of the very greatest ever new ball combinations.
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    Lillee was ranked number 1 in that list I suppose?

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    Trueman took 307 Test wickets at 21.57
    Statham took 252 Test wickets at 24.84
    And Trueman always got choice of ends, and Statham usually didn't

    At First Class level Trueman took 2304 at 18.29 and Statham 2260 at 16.37
    When Trueman always got choice of ends and Statham usually (but not always, obviously) did

    Therefore this unbiased observer asserts George>Fiery Fred

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Lillee was ranked number 1 in that list I suppose?
    Number 3 actually. Graveney's top ten greatest post-war fast bowlers (in 1982) were:

    1. Ray Lindwall
    2. Wes Hall
    3. Dennis Lillee
    4. Brian Statham
    5. Fred Trueman
    6. Michael Holding
    7. Keith Miller
    8. Frank Tyson
    9. Andy Roberts
    10. Alan Davidson

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