***Official*** Australia in South Africa

[adub]

Originally Posted by Spikey

Siddle is a seamer who gets seam movement as often as a blue moon.

If siddle didn't have a history of out of nowhere actually bowling full and getting a bag but soon going back to bowling short and **** I'd think about it. As it is.

Siddle also does a different job to Copeland. For all the talk of enlarged blood pumpers he is not the guy to bowl long spells at 2.5rpo. He is the short quick spells guy - unfortunately for Sidds Harris is better at it than him. Plus of course there's the Siddle and Johnson must not play in the same side rule. Occasionally breaking it might be ok, but we won't be going higher than 4th if we don't adhere to it.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Did you watch the matches at all?

1 hr a day on avg

[centurymaker]

you think South African batsmen will have trouble facing Copeland given that they face Morkel and Steyn in the nets all the time?

[Spikey]

Originally Posted by adub

Siddle also does a different job to Copeland. For all the talk of enlarged blood pumpers he is not the guy to bowl long spells at 2.5rpo. He is the short quick spells guy - unfortunately for Sidds Harris is better at it than him. Plus of course there's the Siddle and Johnson must not play in the same side rule. Occasionally breaking it might be ok, but we won't be going higher than 4th if we don't adhere to it.

bit heartbroken Cricinfo haven't started writing articles about the Siddle and Johnson must not play in the same side rule. Perhaps I need to make a thread about it and do some statsguring to inspire Cricinfo to write an article

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

you think South African batsmen will have trouble facing Copeland given that they face Morkel and Steyn in the nets all the time?

They had trouble facing Stuart Clark.

Aus bowling in RSA in last ten years

[Howe_zat]

What an avatar.

[TT Boy]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

They had trouble facing Stuart Clark.

Aus bowling in RSA in last ten years

Clark was comfortably 10kph quicker than Copeland in pomp though and he hit the bat hard during that series.

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

They had trouble facing Stuart Clark.

Aus bowling in RSA in last ten years

Stuart Clarke was much better than copeland is now.. come on man

[Burgey]

Siddle has been given ample opportunity to succeed at Test level, and he's shown inconsistency. He has been supplanted. He can now go back to FC cricket and show he's improved by taking shed loads of wickets.

If Siddle plays ahead of Copeland in SA then basically every positive step we have just taken on the tour to SL wil have been swept away at the stroke of a pen.

That's why I fully expect it to happen.

[Johnners]

Originally Posted by adub

Haurie's batting and experience will likely get him over the Lyon (my little Sanath joke).

glad to know I wasn't the only one who found this quite amusing! My favourite part of his commentary (rest was rubbish)

[uvelocity]

Originally Posted by Burgey

That's why I fully expect it to happen.

nah she'll be right mate. copes is in for SA tests at least.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by centurymaker

Stuart Clarke was much better than copeland is now.. come on man

You were equating pace with probable bowling results in South Africa. I was just refuting that point.

Clark got his wickets through bounce, seam and tight lines, much as Copeland is looking to do (at an admittedly lesser pace). These conditions would perfectly suit Copeland and South Africans are the most likely opponents to throw their wickets away trying to club him out of the attack.

[morgieb]

Why are people judging pace as a major factor? Wouldn't control be better, which what Johnson and Siddle can't really deliver?

[centurymaker]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

You were equating pace with probable bowling results in South Africa. I was just refuting that point.

Clark got his wickets through bounce, seam and tight lines, much as Copeland is looking to do (at an admittedly lesser pace). These conditions would perfectly suit Copeland and South Africans are the most likely opponents to throw their wickets away trying to club him out of the attack.

at 120 ks how is he going to trouble kallis, amla, devilliers with bounce even seam when they are used to facing Morkel bowl short-pitched stuff at them at 145 ks.

picking him IMO would be a defensive move.
though if the spinner is not doing the containment job well, then copeland should get the nod ahead of him.

[Spikey]

Copeland isn't gonna bowl short at them though......... Siddle will though.