***Official*** Australia in South Africa - Page 52

Top_Cat · 17-10-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GingerFurball

Yep.

The Ashes series was the only one in which the bowlers significantly underperformed.

Yeah and even then they still managed to get a few bags of 5 between them.

Burgey · 17-10-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by adub

Haurie had a set back in India, that's why he's not playing this week.

Did he? Cheers for that.

Spark · 17-10-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by adub

Haurie had a set back in India, that's why he's not playing this week.

Bloke just can't catch a break, can he?

Spikey · 17-10-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Did he? Cheers for that.

Didn't pull up well from the one game he played, hence missing the current shield game

stephen · 17-10-2011, 08:52 PM

Howie, I agree with you only to some extend. If the gap in quality between a young player and a developed player is only small, then by all means pick the young gun (eg Hughes vs Jaques). I don't agree with not picking the better player because of their age though. If we had have followed that advice we would never have picked Hayden or Hussey. After all, Haydos had been "exposed" at international level. Hussey was the wrong side of 30 when he debuted! Stuart Clark was picked at 30 and served us well for a few years. Winning is about putting the best team on the paddock.

Cummins looks the goods, but I really hope that he doesn't get a game until he's at least run through one side at domestic level.

benchmark00 · 17-10-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stephen

Howie, I agree with you only to some extend. If the gap in quality between a young player and a developed player is only small, then by all means pick the young gun (eg Hughes vs Jaques). I don't agree with not picking the better player because of their age though. If we had have followed that advice we would never have picked Hayden or Hussey. After all, Haydos had been "exposed" at international level. Hussey was the wrong side of 30 when he debuted! Stuart Clark was picked at 30 and served us well for a few years. Winning is about putting the best team on the paddock.

Cummins looks the goods, but I really hope that he doesn't get a game until he's at least run through one side at domestic level.

I agree with that in principle, but it's not always that black and white.

When in a 'rebuilding phase' (you can argue whether or not Australia are in one of them at the moment, but whatever) you have to take more of a long term approach at times. Short term losses for a greater longer term gain.

Now I'm not advocating or defending what they've done with Katich, beacause I think Australia could have gained something in the long term by still having him around the group, but there comes a time where you have to suck it up and take the mediocre results in the short term for sustained success in the years ahead.

Burgey · 17-10-2011, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

I agree with that in principle, but it's not always that black and white.

When in a 'rebuilding phase' (you can argue whether or not Australia are in one of them at the moment, but whatever) you have to take more of a long term approach at times. Short term losses for a greater longer term gain.

Now I'm not advocating or defending what they've done with Katich, beacause I think Australia could have gained something in the long term by still having him around the group, but there comes a time where you have to suck it up and take the mediocre results in the short term for sustained success in the years ahead.

Why you were perma-banned, ITBT.

benchmark00 · 17-10-2011, 09:04 PM

I'm invincible ****.

Burgey · 17-10-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

I'm invincible ****.

Nah ****

benchmark00 · 17-10-2011, 09:10 PM

And how'd he end up?

tbf, I did have a piss-easy run to that point. Against nobodies.

Burgey · 17-10-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

And how'd he end up?

tbf, I did have a piss-easy run to that point. Against nobodies.

Will grant you that.

Still number one draft pick, mind.

And a New South Welshman.

/consolation

NUFAN · 18-10-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cabinet96

The big question is not about Copeland v Cummins it's about whether the selectors have the guts to drop Johnson and go in with an attack of Harris, Copeland and Cummins.

AAlso I can't believe Hauritz didn't make the squad. Sure Lyon got 5 fer in the first game but he didn't look that great after that.

Hang on, what about Siddle? Siddle should be ahead of Cummins in the pecking order for sure.

stephen · 18-10-2011, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

Hang on, what about Siddle? Siddle should be ahead of Cummins in the pecking order for sure.

Yeah and the scariest thought is that after his performance in the last test, and Copeland's performance in the shield game that they'll pick Siddle ahead of both Copeland and Cummins.

Burgey · 18-10-2011, 04:06 AM

Anyone think Cummins' action looks a bit like Shane Bond's?

vic_orthdox · 18-10-2011, 04:17 AM

I see it.

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stephen International Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: aus Posts: 3,607	Howie, I agree with you only to some extend. If the gap in quality between a young player and a developed player is only small, then by all means pick the young gun (eg Hughes vs Jaques). I don't agree with not picking the better player because of their age though. If we had have followed that advice we would never have picked Hayden or Hussey. After all, Haydos had been "exposed" at international level. Hussey was the wrong side of 30 when he debuted! Stuart Clark was picked at 30 and served us well for a few years. Winning is about putting the best team on the paddock. Cummins looks the goods, but I really hope that he doesn't get a game until he's at least run through one side at domestic level.

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