***Official*** Australia in South Africa - Page 21

Spikey · 28-09-2011, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

What is Dirk Nannes going to get out of touring with the Australian team though? Nothing. Having Cummins just around the team will be beneficial for him.

Cummins is only 18, he has plenty of time to play shielf cricket. A non issue for mine.

I just think it's silly to have him on the sidelines for a month, missing cricket, when he shouldn't even been there. Overall this recent trend of picking 5 seamers is a bit weird and annoying to me. it wasn't so bad in SL 'cause Pattinson wasn't missing much. (uh bar his entire pre-season) but now Cummins will actually be missing cricket. What are they, paranoid about Dougeh and Lee dropping dead or something?! Likewise I'm paranoid as **** Pattinson will be picked in the test squad, as the extra, extra seamer, and miss even more time.

benchmark00 · 28-09-2011, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey

I just think it's silly to have him on the sidelines for a month, missing cricket, when he shouldn't even been there. Overall this recent trend of picking 5 seamers is a bit weird and annoying to me. it wasn't so bad in SL 'cause Pattinson wasn't missing much. (uh bar his entire pre-season) but now Cummins will actually be missing cricket. What are they, paranoid about Dougeh and Lee dropping dead or something?! Likewise I'm paranoid as **** Pattinson will be picked in the test squad, as the extra, extra seamer, and miss even more time.

It's not like they sit on their arses and don't touch a cricket ball on tour bro.

People are weird, all our seamers break down and people are all like 'Manage them properly ffs!' then when management decide to take a cautious approach and not run them into the ground it's all like 'they need to bowl more!!!'.

Tough gig.

Spikey · 28-09-2011, 01:42 AM

yeah but even if injury strikes Cummins isn't the 5th best ODI bowler in the country is he? He might not even be the 5th best ODI in the state. Now I'm not all against it - means we won't be forced to play Cummins for awhile yet - but I just don't understand why we're bothering. I'm just sick of rewarding these hot young players with squad places after a couple good matches. Remember when we did that to Moises? And look how that's helped him...

Personally my bigger problem is Warner. I mean that ton in the A tour final was probably his first good OD knock since those two tons against Tassie years ago!

benchmark00 · 28-09-2011, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikey

yeah but even if injury strikes Cummins isn't the 5th best ODI bowler in the country is he? He might not even be the 5th best ODI in the state. Now I'm not all against it - means we won't be forced to play Cummins for awhile yet - but I just don't understand why we're bothering. I'm just sick of rewarding these hot young players with squad places after a couple good matches. Remember when we did that to Moises? And look how that's helped him...

Personally my bigger problem is Warner. I mean that ton in the A tour final was probably his first good OD knock since those two tons against Tassie years ago!

Remember when we did that to Ponting and Clarke?

Cummins 4 captain.

Spikey · 28-09-2011, 01:52 AM

we made them wait a couple of seasons at least!

'least we didn't pick harris.

NUFAN · 28-09-2011, 02:02 AM

Just on Cummins, who is to say that he would make the NSW Shield team? Copeland plus Starc, Clark and Hazlewood could all potentially be playing, I don't have a problem at all with him playing T20, but the ODI selection is a little left-field, same with Dave Warner.

It's pretty hard for the selectors to balance who stays at home for Shield or who goes on overseas tours, perhaps the selectors want Ferguson scoring runs for SACA, because I would have picked him and not Warner for the ODIs.

Happy for Bollinger too.

Spark · 28-09-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

Remember when we did that to Ponting and Clarke?

Cummins 4 captain.

Both at least a few seasons of Shield cricket under their belt IIRC, they weren't exactly FC greenhorns.

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I hear that ABdV might be out. That would be an amazing stroke of luck if true.

MW1304 · 28-09-2011, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Spark

I hear that ABdV might be out. That would be an amazing stroke of luck if true.

This could test out South Africa's issues with backup for their key players, if he misses out. Would it be Duminy coming in for him?

iamdavid · 28-09-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by benchmark00

Remember when we did that to Ponting and Clarke?

Cummins 4 captain.

Ponting had been in the state system for 3 years and scored mountains of runs in that time. Clarke's FC numbers weren't great but he'd still been playing shield cricket for NSW regularly for a couple of years and his one day numbers were very good when he was initially picked for the ODI side.

Cummins has played 12 games for NSW, most of them T20s, he's taken 21 wickets.

Top_Cat · 28-09-2011, 03:19 AM

Completely agree with Benchy, it's different for bowlers. Young quick with potential who's a strong chance to play for Australia in the future, getting him in the set-up early is unlikely to be anything other than beneficial. Jason Gillespie went to a World Cup and was never in with a chance of playing. Was just as much a left-field selection but it only helped him.

JBMAC · 28-09-2011, 07:32 AM

Surely better keepers than Haddin around in ANY form of the game. Waste of space as a keeper.Would be lucky to rank him in the top 100 of all time.

benchmark00 · 28-09-2011, 07:42 AM

Stick to pre 1960's imo.

Spikey · 28-09-2011, 08:03 AM

we don't pick keepers on keeping anymore

in any case he had a really good tour of SL on that front. In the tests anyway. Only one drop iirc, when he was standing up to copeland with a tailender in

Briony · 28-09-2011, 08:08 AM

So looks like de Villiers will at least miss the limited overs matches. SA captains don't have much luck with their hands.

Cabinet96 · 28-09-2011, 01:59 PM

So looks like de Villiers has already got the curse of South African captains and broken fingers. Graeme Smith had the most fragile fingers ever and lets hope de Villiers hasn't got the same problem.

28-09-2011, 01:42 AM	#303 (permalink)
Spikey Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: All Glory To The Nev Posts: 23,979	yeah but even if injury strikes Cummins isn't the 5th best ODI bowler in the country is he? He might not even be the 5th best ODI in the state. Now I'm not all against it - means we won't be forced to play Cummins for awhile yet - but I just don't understand why we're bothering. I'm just sick of rewarding these hot young players with squad places after a couple good matches. Remember when we did that to Moises? And look how that's helped him... Personally my bigger problem is Warner. I mean that ton in the A tour final was probably his first good OD knock since those two tons against Tassie years ago! Last edited by Spikey; 28-09-2011 at 01:44 AM.

28-09-2011, 03:19 AM	#310 (permalink)
Top_Cat Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 21,160	Completely agree with Benchy, it's different for bowlers. Young quick with potential who's a strong chance to play for Australia in the future, getting him in the set-up early is unlikely to be anything other than beneficial. Jason Gillespie went to a World Cup and was never in with a chance of playing. Was just as much a left-field selection but it only helped him. __________________ Check out my bands! The Colourphonics http://www.youtube.com/user/TheColourphonics http://twitter.com/colourphonics Candice and The Arcade Villains http://triplejunearthed.com.au/Candi...ArcadeVillains Last edited by Top_Cat; 28-09-2011 at 03:20 AM.

28-09-2011, 07:32 AM	#311 (permalink)
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28-09-2011, 01:52 AM	#305 (permalink)
Spikey Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: All Glory To The Nev Posts: 23,979	we made them wait a couple of seasons at least! 'least we didn't pick harris.

28-09-2011, 02:02 AM	#306 (permalink)
NUFAN International Coach Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NSW Posts: 13,725	Just on Cummins, who is to say that he would make the NSW Shield team? Copeland plus Starc, Clark and Hazlewood could all potentially be playing, I don't have a problem at all with him playing T20, but the ODI selection is a little left-field, same with Dave Warner. It's pretty hard for the selectors to balance who stays at home for Shield or who goes on overseas tours, perhaps the selectors want Ferguson scoring runs for SACA, because I would have picked him and not Warner for the ODIs. Happy for Bollinger too.

28-09-2011, 07:42 AM	#312 (permalink)
benchmark00 Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vote 1 Tangy Posts: 30,097	Stick to pre 1960's imo.

28-09-2011, 08:03 AM	#313 (permalink)
Spikey Cricket Web: All-Time Legend Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: All Glory To The Nev Posts: 23,979	we don't pick keepers on keeping anymore in any case he had a really good tour of SL on that front. In the tests anyway. Only one drop iirc, when he was standing up to copeland with a tailender in

28-09-2011, 08:08 AM	#314 (permalink)
Briony State Captain Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Twilight Zone Posts: 1,968	So looks like de Villiers will at least miss the limited overs matches. SA captains don't have much luck with their hands.

28-09-2011, 01:59 PM	#315 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,053	So looks like de Villiers has already got the curse of South African captains and broken fingers. Graeme Smith had the most fragile fingers ever and lets hope de Villiers hasn't got the same problem.

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