BCCI's profit soars to $39.68 million (200% increase from previous year)

[Sanz]

It's bit of a Chicken of Egg situation, here. Both wouldn't have been succesful without each other.

Pretty naive to see it one way tbh. And infact i would give more weightage to the opposite side you are giving all credit too.

So on what basis would you give the other side any credit in case of Kapil ? Neither BCCI nor any of its regional organizations had anything to do with his talent or his growth as a bowler and everything to do with his decay as one by using him as a horse (Strike Bowler) and as a donkey (stock bowler) both and it is not a surprise that we still have not produced a single bowler who could be anywhere close to what Kapil was.

BCCI's best product as pace bowler has been J Srinath and while he had the skills of a fast bowler he didn't have the heart of one and IMO you are not a fast bowler if didn't have the heart of one.

Am I naive in thinking like that, I don't think so. Growing up in the 70s and 80s and reading about all those injustices served to our cricketers by these incompetent BCCI crooks was something that made me very proud of what our cricketers achieved and did.

It was the stars like Kapil and Sunny (Kapil a lot more than Sunny) who by their sheer performance on the field made BCCI change their dirty ways. As a fan, I still can't forget the day when Kapil was dropped from Calcutta test and how mad the fans were.

 

[Cevno]

You are talking on a completely different tangent to what i was talking about tbh.

I was more talking about the Financial and Marketing aspects,which ultimately builds a system to create Stars/Brands and earn money from them.

And the rest of the post gave specific examples illustrating that too. Don't know what Srinath has to do with the debate either, and as for about Kapil i agree with what you are saying about 70% about his playing abilities, but that is a different debate.

 

[Xuhaib]

Monkeys can run BCCI and they will make same money. It's insane popularity of cricket in India that's getting them all the money.

Besides, I thought BCCI would have been making more. $40 million in annual profits doesn't seem huge compared to what large corporations make.

Indeed Upper tier Sme's should be making more then this in India

 

[Sanz]

Dhanraj Pillay and Hockey are a perfect example of what illustrates my point. And also do the several Great / Very Good Hockey players whom the world recognised in the 1980's but hardly are known in India and in some cases struggle even to make ends meet currently.

And don't you tell me that Hockey was never popular in the country and didn't have something which could have been built on. There was a vacuum which existed due to the mismanagement of it (and lack of Clout in the World Federation among other things) and Cricket did a very good job of filling it, with BCCI playing a major role. While others sports floundered and still are.

I am sorry but Hockey, although popular, was never a game that masses played. It was a game followed by the elite in the Military class, played by the lowest ranked among the military/army apart from that It was limited to certain regions like Punjab, Jharkhand or corporates. Not once in my 25 years of stay in India did I see someone playing Hockey in the maidans like I saw people playing Soccer or Cricket.

I agree Hockey did have the star power and the initial success to build upon but due to the government control and inaction, it never flourished.

That in no way should justify how pathetically I get treated as a normal cricket fan by the BCCI. I get beat up when I go to buy a ticket, presented with worst possible facilities in the stands and when I decide to watch cricket @ home half of the TV screen is filled with really stupid ads in addition to the regular cricket missed in between full commercial breaks. At least in the 80s the quality of cricket I got to watch on TV was much better than it is now.

 

[GotSpin]

I am sorry but Hockey, although popular, was never a game that masses played. It was a game followed by the elite in the Military class, played by the lowest ranked among the military/army apart from that It was limited to certain regions like Punjab, Jharkhand or corporates. Not once in my 25 years of stay in India did I see someone playing Hockey in the maidans like I saw people playing Soccer or Cricket.

I agree Hockey did have the star power and the initial success to build upon but due to the government control and inaction, it never flourished.

That in no way should justify how pathetically I get treated as a normal cricket fan by the BCCI. I get beat up when I go to buy a ticket, presented with worst possible facilities in the stands and when I decide to watch cricket @ home half of the TV screen is filled with really stupid ads in addition to the regular cricket missed in between full commercial breaks. At least in the 80s the quality of cricket I got to watch on TV was much better than it is now.

Such a good point. From what I've read, I'm surprised anyone bothers to turn up to the grounds except then you'd have to watch it on Ten Cricket

 

[Jono]

They better invest this **** into grassroot cricket, training facilities and the grounds around the country.

 

[Cevno]

I think Sanz has not been to a ground for the last 3/4 years in India.

The system has improved a lot and most of the ticketing now is through Private Banks/Coffee Chains and also Online. And the stadiums have improved a lot too,specially the bigger Centres and very good now and right from the food items available to the Basic Sanitation facilities are a lot lot better now.The crowds at IPL games is a very good family crowd nowadays versus Hooligans earlier and there are more Women and Kids at the grounds than ever before.

As for the watching at Home thing, well that is commercialisation and happens in most sports and the BCCI doesn't sell all the T.V rights.

 

[Sanz]

I think Sanz has not been to a ground for the last 3/4 years in India.

The system has improved a lot and most of the ticketing now is through Private Banks/Coffee Chains and also Online. And the stadiums have improved a lot too,specially the bigger Centres and very good now and right from the food items available to the Basic Sanitation facilities are a lot lot better now.The crowds at IPL games is a very good family crowd nowadays versus Hooligans earlier and there are more Women and Kids at the grounds than ever before.

As for the watching at Home thing, well that is commercialisation and happens in most sports and the BCCI doesn't sell all the T.V rights.

Perhaps things have changed and If so I am very happy for the fans in India if that is the case. I guess all the pictures of the fans being beaten for tickets in the recent India-Aus series was media conspiracy. India has produced the best fast bowlers in the world since Kapil's retirement, and we also recently thrashed England in the recent Test/ODI series.

 

[Cevno]

B] fans being beaten for tickets in the recent India-Aus series was media conspiracy[/B].

Do you get a seperate feed of Media Channels?

Sigh!! You are making me defend the BCCI.

 

[Bun]

Huh, becoming no.1 while no doubt a primary goal of the board, is not achievable without availability of very good players. BCCI, for all the brickbats it gets, has got us 2 World cups. In the last four years alone, A World Cup in ODIs, A world championship in T20s, and to cap it, 2 years of Test ranking number 1.

 

[Jono]

Yeah, and we expect more.

 

[Bun]

Perhaps things have changed and If so I am very happy for the fans in India if that is the case. I guess all the pictures of the fans being beaten for tickets in the recent India-Aus series was media conspiracy. India has produced the best fast bowlers in the world since Kapil's retirement, and we also recently thrashed England in the recent Test/ODI series.

Law and Order particularly in case of International matches is responsibility of the govt and the Police. If something untoward happens, it's their problem really. Also when 10000 converge in on 100 tickets, problems are bound to happen. And it's not as if the mobs don't have a share in instigating issues.

 

[Bun]

Yeah, and we expect more.

Yes, so do other boards as well. It's a jugglery of many things. BCCI doesn't get any government support. It is independent and actually contributes a significant portion to other sports in the country as well. So in addition to the financial juggling act, they also have this performance issue. No matter what they do, **** happens. We are basically judging their last 4 years with just one totally horrible tour to England. That for me is rubbish. Look at ECB. Despite being at the top of the tier as far as finances are concerned, they had to wait so long to get to no.1 in test cricket, and haven't still won anything of note in ODIs. Do they get the same amount of brickbats as BCCI does? Not a chance.

I know a possible counterargument to this would be that BCCI is richer and enjoys huge patronage. However, my counterquestion would be who created and nurtured this huge patronage and translated that into $$$? Same old BCCI only.

 

[Sanz]

Huh, becoming no.1 while no doubt a primary goal of the board, is not achievable without availability of very good players. BCCI, for all the brickbats it gets, has got us 2 World cups. In the last four years alone, A World Cup in ODIs, A world championship in T20s, and to cap it, 2 years of Test ranking number 1.

With all due respect, the first world cup had nothing to do with BCCI. While the the world cups win is nice, BCCI has not given us a single fast bowler in last 30 years who we could depend on like Australia did on Mcgrath, Pak did on Wasim and so on. Even a small nation like NZ has had its Richard Hadlee . I would exchange the the current world cup for a world class fast bowler anyday.

As a fan I couldn't care less about the Ranking.

 

[Sanz]

Yes, so do other boards as well. It's a jugglery of many things. BCCI doesn't get any government support. It is independent and actually contributes a significant portion to other sports in the country as well. So in addition to the financial juggling act, they also have this performance issue. No matter what they do, **** happens. We are basically judging their last 4 years with just one totally horrible tour to England. That for me is rubbish. Look at ECB. Despite being at the top of the tier as far as finances are concerned, they had to wait so long to get to no.1 in test cricket, and haven't still won anything of note in ODIs. Do they get the same amount of brickbats as BCCI does? Not a chance.

I really don't care what ECB or English Press does, They are not the ones who are setting the standard for me anyway. As a top Cricketing nation and the richest one too, we should be setting the standards not Robert Mugabe.

The no. 1 team had its worst series ever, both ODIs & Tests. This is hard for me as a fan to accept. We were no. 1, we played worse than no. 10 would have. It may be okay with you, it is not okay with me.For the first time in my memory of last 25 years of watching Cricket, we didn't show up, not even in a freaking first class game.

I know a possible counterargument to this would be that BCCI is richer and enjoys huge patronage. However, my counterquestion would be who created and nurtured this huge patronage and translated that into $$$? Same old BCCI only.

No, it was created by the heart and soul of 100os of Indian cricketers of last 60 years, the 1983 WC win by Kapil's devils and the millions of fans. Please don't tell me that I owe anything to the crooked administrators of BCCI just because they made 40 million surplus last year.

 

[Sanz]

Law and Order particularly in case of International matches is responsibility of the govt and the Police. If something untoward happens, it's their problem really. Also when 10000 converge in on 100 tickets, problems are bound to happen. And it's not as if the mobs don't have a share in instigating issues.

So no problem with only 100 tickets being made available on the day of the match ? How about increasing the capacity of Stadiums ? MCG has a capacity of 100,000 Mohali has 30,000.

And no problems are not bound to happen if there are proper arrangements. We go to watch hockey games over here every time, rarely get tickets, especially during playoffs, the who atmosphere is festive, there is partying going around, there are times when there would be outdoor screens that will show matches. Fans are treated respectfully. TBH, there are so many ways the BCCI can show its respect to the ordinary fans. They never do and that is because they do not care for fans.

 

[weldone]

Congratulations BCCI! Way to go!

 

[weldone]

I would exchange the the current world cup for a world class fast bowler anyday.

No chance. If winning the next World Cup needs us to play 4 spinners in the team, I don't mind.

 

[Cruxdude]

No chance. If winning the next World Cup needs us to play 4 spinners in the team, I don't mind.

AWTAz

 

[marc71178]

Perhaps things have changed and If so I am very happy for the fans in India if that is the case. I guess all the pictures of the fans being beaten for tickets in the recent India-Aus series was media conspiracy. India has produced the best fast bowlers in the world since Kapil's retirement, and we also recently thrashed England in the recent Test/ODI series.

Weren't there serious issues at the World Cup as well?