Last edited by vcs; 02-07-2011 at 05:04 AM.
It wasn't an analogy I was just making a **** and irrelevant point like you did.
Furthermore, the 80s and 90s does not equate to all of history. It's not like Swann is our first ever good spinner.
Last edited by GIMH; 02-07-2011 at 06:00 AM.
My point was not irrelevant BTW. I don't think I made it clear there, but from his comments it seems pretty obvious Lloyd does not watch much cricket that doesn't involve England (Uppercut agreed with me on this). Ergo, he hasn't had too many opportunities to observe quality spin bowling (before Swann), unless of course, he was keeping a keen eye on the opposition, which from his comments, I highly doubt. Hence I'd rather not take his word that Randiv looks an ordinary bowler, on the basis of the 20 or so matches he's played, out of which this is probably the first time Lloyd's actually watched him. Hope I made that clear enough.
Like I said, if Holding or Bishop had told me Mithun looks ordinary, I'd be a lot likelier to take them seriously. They're too smart to say that directly though, and would probably find a way to say it much more diplomatically, especially if a bowler was in the infancy of his career.
EDIT - add to that the fact that you failed to grasp what he meant by ordinary anyway, ie not a mystery spinner
Last edited by GIMH; 02-07-2011 at 06:09 AM.
It's semantics, tbh. Not very interesting.
'cause in a clearing when the sunlight comes
exposing all the shadows in our intricate behaviour
i feel a sort of fading
we build our own unfolding.
If that is Smugness and arrogance then what is when people go and call Swann in a different league altogether to Harbhajan(so much so they can't be mentioned together) and when they go and call India bowlers Bangladesh standard.
Edit- before you go on a rant i am not talking about you here only.
Last edited by Cevno; 02-07-2011 at 06:25 AM.
Anyway, I shouldn't have had that dig at vcs and brought this stuff into a second thread. Stand by what I said, but not going to bore anyone with it any further.
Was just giving a example of smugness and arrogance ftr.
And you were the one who brought another debate into it in the first place with a false analogy which had nothing to do with what VCS posted here. So accusing me of bringing another debate into it is a bit rich.
****ing hell Cevno, you are hard work.
I just apologised for bringing that debate in here. Nonetheless, dragging an ongoing argument into multiple threads is not exactly the same as digging up arguments that have been and gone, some ****ing years ago and others months.
If I call vcs arrogant, you don't have any valid reason to respond implying that GingerFurball has made posts you find arrogant. It's like if we're talking about Michael Beer, and everyone says he's ****, someone popping up and saying "well I think marcus north is ****!" So what? No-one gives a ****.
And as I already said, I wasn't making an analogy.
The Test series is gonna be a nightmare because there are a core of you posting utter bollocks at the minute.
Last edited by GIMH; 02-07-2011 at 07:12 AM.
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