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    Is there actually any intelligent argument against URDS though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Basically the argument still is that 92% is better than 97% because the latter isn't 100%. How unimpressive. Was expecting something slightly more intelligent.
    You fail to grasp the point. The question that is asked is whether DRS has moved far away from what it was originally designed to. Forget about the 92% and 97%.

    Say for Instance The kohli dismissal this test, would not have had any impact even with the DRS, because of the absence of the hot spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    The UDRS may become self-aware and go on a genocidal rampage, deciding who lives or dies based on slow-mo replays and hawkeye replays. Millions are held in limbo when they are given the status "umpire's call".
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    Personally think too many people everywhere are making the mistake of taking the BCCI's word at the costs. To get that figure, they're probably taking into account everything from the cost of the cams themselves to the poor sods who have to serve the operators tea and bikkies and wipe the lense once a day.

    And, as alluded to by other posters, the licensing fee is different for different boards; if you're cashed up and will make a ****-ton of cash via advertising/TV, expect to pay more. That's the whole point of making it a license-based system. The URDS and associated technologies don't just cost money, they make money and the BCCI is being disingenuous by not admitting it (way to feed the conspiracy trolls too, BCCI, you suck, etc.). Look at it this way; if it wasn't a way to get more eyeballs on TV screens and be exposed to advertising, there'd be no point in showing Hawkeye/Hotspot, etc. to the viewing audience at all, it'd just be a back-room tool for the 3rd umpire.

    Also, pointing at 92% success rate for umpires then the 95% or whatever it is for URDS and saying it's only a 3% increase is just wrong-headed. Aside from the muddled understanding of statistics at play, the Law of Diminishing Returns applies here too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Is there actually any intelligent argument against URDS though?
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    If there's an intelligent argument out there for something, we can always trust Bun to find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gvenkat View Post
    Say for Instance The kohli dismissal this test, would not have had any impact even with the DRS, because of the absence of the hot spot.
    You mean the same hotspot that is in the DRS more often then not?

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    Decision Review System: Why there is a need to discuss DRS in its present form | Cricket Features | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

    A nice article by Sid Monga.

    There are other examples, too, and the doubts specifically revolve around the predictive element of the technology. Neither of the two common brands of tracking technology, Hawk Eye and Virtual Eye, is perfect or immune to human mistakes. Our leap of faith, however, is absolute - so absolute that commentators and spectators have stopped using their brains. Virtual Eye admits that entertainment and decision-making are horses of two different colours. It prefers to provide the umpires with facts until the ball strikes the batsman, and then leave the rest to the on-field umpire, who knows which way and how hard the wind is blowing and how the pitch is behaving, better than the system whose camera is not even placed right behind the stumps.


    Hawk Eye is more optimistic about being able to replace the umpire, and is also keen to point out flaws with Virtual Eye. The BCCI remains unconvinced. Why the BCCI is not convinced is not clear, just like it is not clear how every now and then a projection looks improbable, or how it is perfect at 2.4 metres but unreliable at 2.5, how it judges the amount of spin when an offbreak hits a batsman on the full, or the bounce when a batsman is hit on a half-volley, or why we don't get to see simulations of some balls at all, or why - if it is used as an umpiring tool - it is not minded by the ICC and the ACSU, or why we have to blindly believe its accuracy and not assess it independently, or why the ICC doesn't say so if it has assessed it independently.
    Interestingly not even the two competiting firms are unanimous in their view of the ball tracking technology.

    All these doubts may seem like splitting hairs, complicating the game, but complicate is exactly what DRS in its current form does. The original purpose of the system wasn't to predict whether the ball would have clipped the leg bail. Its purpose was to spot edges (or their absence), balls pitched outside leg and balls hitting the batsman outside off when offering a shot for lbws. It was introduced for umpires who have trouble grasping basic umpiring rules, and for the odd big mistake made by the good officials. It wasn't meant to be a contest between Ian Gould reckoning that the offbreak would have hit leg stump and Hawk Eye's prediction that it would have missed it by centimetres. When the ICC meets in Hong Kong, it is pertinent that it establishes a distinction between entertainment and decision-making tools, and also reminds itself that the DRS' original purpose was to eliminate howlers.
    I agree with the author here. We need hotspot and other allied technology to eliminate very obvious shockers from the game. Like a clear inside edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by gvenkat View Post
    You fail to grasp the point. The question that is asked is whether DRS has moved far away from what it was originally designed to. Forget about the 92% and 97%.
    Nope, because that's the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    You mean the same hotspot that is in the DRS more often then not?
    Huh?

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    The bottom line is the host boards don't give a hoot about getting decisions correct, Because all they care is $$. It's up to the ICC as protectors/custodians of the game to work out a deal so that the DRS is present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvenkat View Post
    The bottom line is the host boards don't give a hoot about getting decisions correct, Because all they care is $$. It's up to the ICC as protectors/custodians of the game to work out a deal so that the DRS is present.
    No, the bottom line is every board except the BCCI does.

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    LEAVE THE BCCI ALONE

    YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE THE RICHEST BOARD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gvenkat View Post
    You fail to grasp the point. The question that is asked is whether DRS has moved far away from what it was originally designed to. Forget about the 92% and 97%.

    Say for Instance The kohli dismissal this test, would not have had any impact even with the DRS, because of the absence of the hot spot.
    Ummmm. Usually hot spot is part of the DRS. Jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Got_Spin View Post
    Ummmm. Usually hot spot is part of the DRS. Jesus
    Not except in Aus and Eng.



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