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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    He doesn't have to do the bolded part, you aren't reading my posts properly..
    No, that's exactly what you're saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wellalbidarned View Post
    no, that's exactly what you're saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    i am amazed that i didn't know about this part of the lbw rule.

    This part of the rule looks rubbish to me tbh. In essence, we are saying that warne's and muralitharan's deliveries don't spin after pitching at all, and that all of saeed ajmal's stock delivery, doosra and teesra are exactly the same delivery and all are same as mohammad sami's pies.

    i personally think those full tosses that hit batsmen on the pads and are expected to pitch once before reaching the stumps should be given not out as a rule.

    this is not an anti-drs point by the way, for those who don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    The point is that using a 95% technology as a secondary check on a system that is 90% accurate is as good as worthless (assuming the first 90% fully coincides with the 95%).

    No production manager will use a testing system that is 95% accurate to detect errors in a production unit that is already 90% accurate. The outcome will be full or false positives and/or false negatives. A 95% accurate testing mechanism is great when the production is about 70-75% accurate. That's the point.

    EDIT: To repeat, I am not against DRS. I don't even tow the BCCI line of the system not being 100%. It doesn't have to, but it has to be significantly superior than the on-field umpires. I don't know if that is already the case.
    I don't even...

    Using a 95% system on top a 90% system results in a 99.5% over accuracy, as the system is only intended for use on the incorrect 10% of decisions of the standard system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    no
    ...yes, otherwise what on earth is your basis for giving them not out? The umpire would have to

    A) make the JUDGEMENT that the delivery would bounce before the stumps

    and

    B) make the JUDGDEMENT that the ball would deviate significantly to miss
    Last edited by wellAlbidarned; 13-03-2012 at 12:58 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    I don't even...

    Using a 95% system on top a 90% system results in a 99.5% over accuracy, as the system is only intended for use on the incorrect 10% of decisions of the standard system.
    ....under the VERY BIG assumption that if the system is 95% accurate on average, it will be 95% accurate on the reviews (which are expected to be much more marginal calls in general than average)???
    Last edited by weldone; 13-03-2012 at 01:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    ...yes, otherwise what on earth is your basis for giving them not out? The umpire would have to

    A) make the JUDGEMENT that the delivery would bounce before the stumps

    and

    B) make the JUDGDEMENT that the ball would deviate significantly to miss
    No. The umpire would have to

    A) make the JUDGEMENT that the delivery would bounce before the stumps

    and

    B) not make the JUDGDEMENT whether the delivery would deviate significantly to miss or not because such judgements can't be made by umpires and therefore give the batsman benefit of doubt
    Last edited by weldone; 13-03-2012 at 01:37 AM.

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    I think fulltosses cannot be presupposed to spin while giving LBWs just because the bowler is a spinner. That's relying on a priori assumptions, and while it probably will turn on pitching (wherever that may be), one can only go with the evidence in play during that particular delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    I think fulltosses cannot be presupposed to spin while giving LBWs just because the bowler is a spinner.
    'Can they be presupposed not to spin?' is the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    one can only go with the evidence in play during that particular delivery.
    There is none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    I don't even...

    Using a 95% system on top a 90% system results in a 99.5% over accuracy, as the system is only intended for use on the incorrect 10% of decisions of the standard system.
    He was talking on the whole though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    He was talking on the whole though....
    You don't use it for every single decision, no-one's saying that umpires are wrong 100% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    'Can they be presupposed not to spin?' is the question.
    Yes, because otherwise you open up a MASSIVE can of worms. The rules state that a spinning full toss must be assumed to continue straight because it's the simplest, least controversial, and easiest to judge option. End of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Yes, because otherwise you open up a MASSIVE can of worms. The rules state that a spinning full toss must be assumed to continue straight because it's the simplest, least controversial, and easiest to judge option. End of.
    Simplest? Nah, giving out LBW to every delivery that hits the pad will be the simplest

    Least controversial? Remember Ian Chappell once raising this point while commentating, there must be some others too. However, it hasn't been as controversial as Mika and Rakhi Sawant's kiss I agree.

    Easiest to judge? The opposite, because such cases can't be judged with any accuracy.

    End of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    There is none.
    There is though, isn't there? It's a straight ball that hasn't bounced. Will you also expect the umpire to look at the bowler's wrist and infer if the ball is a googly or a conventional leg beak or a doosra? It's just impractical. The law isn't ideal but it makes the best of a cloudy situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    The law isn't ideal but it makes the best of a cloudy situation.
    ^The gist of it.



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