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    IMO Bond is the finest ODI bowler ever.

    I know people say it's joel garner and then say Bond didn't play enough. But Garner is rated the best based on 146 wickets. Bond has 147. His ODI stats are breathtaking.

    wickets 147
    Average 20.88
    Strike Rate 29.2
    economy 4.28
    4w+ hauls 11
    innings 80

    Garner is excellent too
    wickets 146
    average 18.84
    strike rate 36.5
    economy 3.09
    4w+ hauls 5
    innings 98

    And bond did this in the so-called "batting friendly" era of the 00s. I mean honestly if Garner is 1 Bond has to be tied or number 2, really which bowler has more impressive stats than these two?

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    Garner was 100% of time. Bond it was 25% of the time. Player who cannot play more than 50% of his team matches cannot be even an ATG.

    Edit: And I rate McGrath as the best ever ODI bowler with Murali and Akram in 2nd and 3rd. Garner might come in at top 10 but not top 3.
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    IMO he is not.

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    Bond is an all time great, and possibly the finest ODI bowler in his era.

    I'm not sure how to quantify injuries though, because let's face it, if we wanted to field an all time eleven in real life we're going to need to do some serious bioengineering to get fifty year old men back to their peaks. If we can do that, we can give Bond an invincible back as well.

    Bond did manage to play in two world cups, the pinnacle of the ODI format, and he was outstanding in both. It's also worth noting most of his injury concerns came about because of tests, and during that period in 2006/2007 where we solely played ODIs, his injury record was fine.

    Being an all time great is about what you do, not what you don't do. Ricky Ponting never faced Malcolm Marshall, but no one except people who try to compare across eras (which is a complex exercise to say the least) cares because he has happily scored piles of runs against the best bowlers in his era. Likewise, Shane Bond has huge success against the best players in his generation, including dismantling all time great Australian sides and performing to a high standard in two world cups.
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    He is one of the finest ODI bowlers for sure in his era, or any era. Infact i rate him higher as a test bowler than most and always loved to see him bowl a lot. But don't think he is the best ever ODI bowler.

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    There is certainly an argument for him being the finest ever, but as many have pointed out already he simply didn't play enough to be properly considered the best.

    He'd make most top 10-15 lists I reckon.
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    Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.
    awta.

    To me, the greatest ODI bowler ever is Wasim Akram, followed closely by Mcgrath, Garner and Murali.

    I think we had a ranking here on CW of the greatest ODI players in history. Viv and Sachin came out 1 and 2 and Wasim came in at number 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Haha according to that (and by my approximations of 'proper' bowlers) Bond is the 14th best ODI bowler as rated by CW. 15th if we include Dev as a bowler only but I sort of doubt he got in there by bowling alone.

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    yeah I said ODI players and not ODI bowlers

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    Brett Lee should be in the discussion too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    Bond is an all time great, and possibly the finest ODI bowler in his era.

    I'm not sure how to quantify injuries though, because let's face it, if we wanted to field an all time eleven in real life we're going to need to do some serious bioengineering to get fifty year old men back to their peaks. If we can do that, we can give Bond an invincible back as well.

    Bond did manage to play in two world cups, the pinnacle of the ODI format, and he was outstanding in both. It's also worth noting most of his injury concerns came about because of tests, and during that period in 2006/2007 where we solely played ODIs, his injury record was fine.

    Being an all time great is about what you do, not what you don't do. Ricky Ponting never faced Malcolm Marshall, but no one except people who try to compare across eras (which is a complex exercise to say the least) cares because he has happily scored piles of runs against the best bowlers in his era. Likewise, Shane Bond has huge success against the best players in his generation, including dismantling all time great Australian sides and performing to a high standard in two world cups.
    Being unfit is not a hypothetical situation. Let's face it, he was unfit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool View Post
    Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.
    Yep, exactly.
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