IMO Bond is the finest ODI bowler ever.

miscer · 13-09-2011, 08:49 PM

I know people say it's joel garner and then say Bond didn't play enough. But Garner is rated the best based on 146 wickets. Bond has 147. His ODI stats are breathtaking.

wickets 147
Average 20.88
Strike Rate 29.2
economy 4.28
4w+ hauls 11
innings 80

Garner is excellent too
wickets 146
average 18.84
strike rate 36.5
economy 3.09
4w+ hauls 5
innings 98

And bond did this in the so-called "batting friendly" era of the 00s. I mean honestly if Garner is 1 Bond has to be tied or number 2, really which bowler has more impressive stats than these two?

Migara · 13-09-2011, 09:20 PM

Garner was 100% of time. Bond it was 25% of the time. Player who cannot play more than 50% of his team matches cannot be even an ATG.

Edit: And I rate McGrath as the best ever ODI bowler with Murali and Akram in 2nd and 3rd. Garner might come in at top 10 but not top 3.

Cevno · 13-09-2011, 09:23 PM

IMO he is not.

Flem274* · 13-09-2011, 09:33 PM

Bond is an all time great, and possibly the finest ODI bowler in his era.

I'm not sure how to quantify injuries though, because let's face it, if we wanted to field an all time eleven in real life we're going to need to do some serious bioengineering to get fifty year old men back to their peaks. If we can do that, we can give Bond an invincible back as well.

Bond did manage to play in two world cups, the pinnacle of the ODI format, and he was outstanding in both. It's also worth noting most of his injury concerns came about because of tests, and during that period in 2006/2007 where we solely played ODIs, his injury record was fine.

Being an all time great is about what you do, not what you don't do. Ricky Ponting never faced Malcolm Marshall, but no one except people who try to compare across eras (which is a complex exercise to say the least) cares because he has happily scored piles of runs against the best bowlers in his era. Likewise, Shane Bond has huge success against the best players in his generation, including dismantling all time great Australian sides and performing to a high standard in two world cups.

Cevno · 13-09-2011, 09:48 PM

He is one of the finest ODI bowlers for sure in his era, or any era. Infact i rate him higher as a test bowler than most and always loved to see him bowl a lot. But don't think he is the best ever ODI bowler.

Athlai · 13-09-2011, 09:54 PM

There is certainly an argument for him being the finest ever, but as many have pointed out already he simply didn't play enough to be properly considered the best.

He'd make most top 10-15 lists I reckon.

tooextracool · 13-09-2011, 09:58 PM

Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.

smalishah84 · 13-09-2011, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooextracool

Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.

awta.

To me, the greatest ODI bowler ever is Wasim Akram, followed closely by Mcgrath, Garner and Murali.

I think we had a ranking here on CW of the greatest ODI players in history. Viv and Sachin came out 1 and 2 and Wasim came in at number 3.

smalishah84 · 13-09-2011, 10:43 PM

there you go

CW's 50 Best ODI Cricketers of all time - The Countdown

Athlai · 13-09-2011, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smalishah84

there you go

CW's 50 Best ODI Cricketers of all time - The Countdown

Haha according to that (and by my approximations of 'proper' bowlers) Bond is the 14th best ODI bowler as rated by CW. 15th if we include Dev as a bowler only but I sort of doubt he got in there by bowling alone.

smalishah84 · 13-09-2011, 10:56 PM

yeah I said ODI players and not ODI bowlers

Top_Cat · 13-09-2011, 10:57 PM

Brett Lee should be in the discussion too.

marc71178 · 14-09-2011, 01:06 AM

Dernbach better IMO.

Migara · 14-09-2011, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flem274*

Bond is an all time great, and possibly the finest ODI bowler in his era.

I'm not sure how to quantify injuries though, because let's face it, if we wanted to field an all time eleven in real life we're going to need to do some serious bioengineering to get fifty year old men back to their peaks. If we can do that, we can give Bond an invincible back as well.

Bond did manage to play in two world cups, the pinnacle of the ODI format, and he was outstanding in both. It's also worth noting most of his injury concerns came about because of tests, and during that period in 2006/2007 where we solely played ODIs, his injury record was fine.

Being an all time great is about what you do, not what you don't do. Ricky Ponting never faced Malcolm Marshall, but no one except people who try to compare across eras (which is a complex exercise to say the least) cares because he has happily scored piles of runs against the best bowlers in his era. Likewise, Shane Bond has huge success against the best players in his generation, including dismantling all time great Australian sides and performing to a high standard in two world cups.

Being unfit is not a hypothetical situation. Let's face it, he was unfit.

Prince EWS · 14-09-2011, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooextracool

Ultimately, longevity *matters* in cricket because when we are calling someone the finest player ever, we are not picking him for one game but for an entire career.

Yep, exactly.

13-09-2011, 08:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
miscer Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Posts: 367	IMO Bond is the finest ODI bowler ever. I know people say it's joel garner and then say Bond didn't play enough. But Garner is rated the best based on 146 wickets. Bond has 147. His ODI stats are breathtaking. wickets 147 Average 20.88 Strike Rate 29.2 economy 4.28 4w+ hauls 11 innings 80 Garner is excellent too wickets 146 average 18.84 strike rate 36.5 economy 3.09 4w+ hauls 5 innings 98 And bond did this in the so-called "batting friendly" era of the 00s. I mean honestly if Garner is 1 Bond has to be tied or number 2, really which bowler has more impressive stats than these two?

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Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	Garner was 100% of time. Bond it was 25% of the time. Player who cannot play more than 50% of his team matches cannot be even an ATG. Edit: And I rate McGrath as the best ever ODI bowler with Murali and Akram in 2nd and 3rd. Garner might come in at top 10 but not top 3. __________________ Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran Last edited by Migara; 13-09-2011 at 09:21 PM.

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Cevno International Coach Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: India Posts: 14,931	IMO he is not.

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Cevno International Coach Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: India Posts: 14,931	He is one of the finest ODI bowlers for sure in his era, or any era. Infact i rate him higher as a test bowler than most and always loved to see him bowl a lot. But don't think he is the best ever ODI bowler.

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,860	there you go CW's 50 Best ODI Cricketers of all time - The Countdown

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