Alastair Cook vs Graham Gooch?

Indusriver · 03-09-2011, 11:41 AM

Seriously who is better?

Jacknife · 03-09-2011, 11:47 AM

Tell you when Cook's career is finished.

Indusriver · 03-09-2011, 11:54 AM

^ cook already has 19 centuries, one short of Gooch lol

smalishah84 · 03-09-2011, 12:39 PM

to quote one former English player "Do you think Graham Gooch was being served pies by Malcolm Marshall"

Will have to take Gooch for now. So far Cook faced only faced one really tough test and he failed.

fredfertang · 03-09-2011, 12:40 PM

Can't see Cook ever playing an innings as crucial as Gooch's 154* at Headingley in '91 so, despite that appalling taste in facial hair, 'tis Goochy for me

centurymaker · 03-09-2011, 01:09 PM

as they say avg of 55 is the new 50. (batting avgs have gone up by 10-12%)

which basically means cook's adjusted average is around 45, so he's slightly ahead of Gooch Atm.

Jacknife · 03-09-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Indusriver

^ cook already has 19 centuries, one short of Gooch lol

zaremba · 03-09-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfertang

Can't see Cook ever playing an innings as crucial as Gooch's 154* at Headingley in '91 so, despite that appalling taste in facial hair, 'tis Goochy for me

He's played some pretty important innings tbf - not least his 235no at the Gabbatoir last winter.

But I vote Gooch as he did better than just about anyone against the world's best bowlers at a time when the world's best bowlers were pretty damn good.

fredfertang · 03-09-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

He's played some pretty important innings tbf - not least his 235no at the Gabbatoir last winter.

pop gun attack though

zaremba · 03-09-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfertang

pop gun attack though

Not nearly as one-dimensional as the horribly over-hyped West Indian attack at Headingley in '91. Ambrose, Patterson, Marshall, Walsh: all bowlers of the same type (RF) and of broadly equivalent quality. Where's the variety? Where's the versatility? In particular, when they're faced with a flat pitch, where's the X-Do to winkle batsman out with cunning and guile? Where's the reliable left-arm wizard a la Mitch Johnson? Where's the fast-medium sultan of swing in the Hilfenhaus mould? Where's the medium-paced magician to rival Shane Watson?

robelinda · 03-09-2011, 02:44 PM

Graham Gooch 154* vs West Indies 1991 - YouTube

Anyone who saw this live would never question Gooch's innings. Obviously in this video you see the 4's, but what you don't see is how utterly mystified his batting partners were, and how Gooch handled the spiteful deliveries with such class. One of the true masterclasses of batting.

zaremba · 03-09-2011, 02:50 PM

ftr, I wasn't being serious.

fredfertang · 03-09-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

ftr, I wasn't being serious.

Performed a great service in getting robelinda to post that link though

robelinda · 03-09-2011, 03:00 PM

Oh i wasn't replying to your post Zaremba! My sarcasm detector is in fine working order.....obviously as a Pom you would never slag off the mighty GOOCH!

zaremba · 03-09-2011, 03:01 PM

Yep, just watched it myself, bloody awesome. The man could play fast bowling, he really could.

One of the YouTube comments was that that fast bowling attack was "assembled by Satan, trained in hell and dispatched to planet earth for wreaking havoc". Which pretty much sums it up. Except that, as I've already demonstrated, they were one dimensional, predictable and limited

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smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	to quote one former English player "Do you think Graham Gooch was being served pies by Malcolm Marshall" Will have to take Gooch for now. So far Cook faced only faced one really tough test and he failed. __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	Graham Gooch 154* vs West Indies 1991 - YouTube Anyone who saw this live would never question Gooch's innings. Obviously in this video you see the 4's, but what you don't see is how utterly mystified his batting partners were, and how Gooch handled the spiteful deliveries with such class. One of the true masterclasses of batting. __________________ My Youtube cricket channels, thousands of gold old videos http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda2 http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda

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Jacknife International Captain Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: West Yorkshire. Posts: 6,236	Tell you when Cook's career is finished.

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Indusriver Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Karachi Posts: 50	^ cook already has 19 centuries, one short of Gooch lol

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,729	Can't see Cook ever playing an innings as crucial as Gooch's 154* at Headingley in '91 so, despite that appalling taste in facial hair, 'tis Goochy for me

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centurymaker International Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,253	as they say avg of 55 is the new 50. (batting avgs have gone up by 10-12%) which basically means cook's adjusted average is around 45, so he's slightly ahead of Gooch Atm.

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zaremba Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chez les Ashes Posts: 8,730	ftr, I wasn't being serious.

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robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	Oh i wasn't replying to your post Zaremba! My sarcasm detector is in fine working order.....obviously as a Pom you would never slag off the mighty GOOCH!

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zaremba Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chez les Ashes Posts: 8,730	Yep, just watched it myself, bloody awesome. The man could play fast bowling, he really could. One of the YouTube comments was that that fast bowling attack was "assembled by Satan, trained in hell and dispatched to planet earth for wreaking havoc". Which pretty much sums it up. Except that, as I've already demonstrated, they were one dimensional, predictable and limited

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