Alastair Cook vs Graham Gooch? - Page 2

MW1304 · 03-09-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

Not nearly as one-dimensional as the horribly over-hyped West Indian attack at Headingley in '91. Ambrose, Patterson, Marshall, Walsh: all bowlers of the same type (RF) and of broadly equivalent quality. Where's the variety? Where's the versatility? In particular, when they're faced with a flat pitch, where's the X-Do to winkle batsman out with cunning and guile? Where's the reliable left-arm wizard a la Mitch Johnson? Where's the fast-medium sultan of swing in the Hilfenhaus mould? Where's the medium-paced magician to rival Shane Watson?

Oh AWTA completely. I mean, as some Indian fan said a while back, variety is the key to a bowling attack. It's what makes Paul Harris' left arm variety so much more dangerous than Graeme Swann's (BAW-RING) right arm twirly nothings.

Howe_zat · 03-09-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zaremba

Yep, just watched it myself, bloody awesome. The man could play fast bowling, he really could.

One of the YouTube comments was that that fast bowling attack was "assembled by Satan, trained in hell and dispatched to planet earth for wreaking havoc". Which pretty much sums it up. Except that, as I've already demonstrated, they were one dimensional, predictable and limited

Out of interest, how would those that were there rate Gooch and the other best batsmen of the 80s and early 90s against spin bowling? As I've heard that there was rather a dearth at the time, until Warne, Murali and Kumble came along.

marc71178 · 03-09-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfertang

Can't see Cook ever playing an innings as crucial as Gooch's 154* at Headingley in '91 so, despite that appalling taste in facial hair, 'tis Goochy for me

Has any batsmen in history?

fredfertang · 03-09-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Has any batsmen in history?

Not in my book but I know from past experience that there are folk on here who don't agree with me

Jacknife · 03-09-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by robelinda

Oh i wasn't replying to your post Zaremba! My sarcasm detector is in fine working order.....obviously as a Pom you would never slag off the mighty GOOCH!

Sacrilege

robelinda · 03-09-2011, 03:42 PM

I would say Kim Hughes 100* vs WI in 1981 was equal to that Gooch knock. Absolutely awful up and down pitch on day 1, the bowling attack was a touch more devastating, and it looked like people could get seriously hurt out there. Man that MCG pitch was so terrible in the early 80's, just abysmal. Gooch's knock was a whole other kind of awesome in insane swinging conditions.

L Trumper · 03-09-2011, 03:46 PM

Headingley 91 : Amidst Gooch's heroics Richards brutal knock in WI 1st innings was easily forgotten, I still think younger Viv would've been stayed in and dominated the attack. No complaints though, given what was followed.

fredfertang · 03-09-2011, 03:47 PM

The standing of Gooch's innings was heightened considerably by the fact the WIndies had won the last 10 tests they'd played here and hadn't lost one for 20 odd years - it was an amazing win, but it wasn't really a team effort it was just Gooch

keeper · 03-09-2011, 04:03 PM

His knock a year later at the same ground wasn't too shabby either. Throw in the knock at Kingston and Gooch's career had peaks of excellence against top quality bowling that Cook has yet to demonstrate. Still, Gooch's career peaked quite late and Cook may well be a more effective accumulator of runs over his career,

Anil · 03-09-2011, 07:19 PM

graham gooch - one of the greatest players of fast bowling ever...

smalishah84 · 03-09-2011, 08:16 PM

gooch was good

G.I.Joe · 04-09-2011, 01:59 AM

Cook.

grecian · 04-09-2011, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anil

graham gooch - one of the greatest players of fast bowling ever...

He was also one of the worst players of medium-pace nothing bowlers. Have to say I also feel that THAT innings was the greatest I'ver seen, but it's not enough to erase years of mediocrity, in my mind, anyway. Particularly all the times he left the ball to be out to innocuous in-duckers.

robelinda · 04-09-2011, 02:43 PM

Here's some Gooch I uploaded overnight

Graham Gooch 135 vs Pakistan - 4th test 1992 - YouTube

Graham Gooch 133 - vs Australia 1st Test 1993 ASHES - YouTube

Graham Gooch 120 vs Australia - 3rd test 1993 Ashes Trent Bridge - YouTube

grecian · 04-09-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by robelinda

Here's some Gooch I uploaded overnight

Graham Gooch 135 vs Pakistan - 4th test 1992 - YouTube

Graham Gooch 133 - vs Australia 1st Test 1993 ASHES - YouTube

Graham Gooch 120 vs Australia - 3rd test 1993 Ashes Trent Bridge - YouTube

So nothing before 1990 then

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03-09-2011, 03:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	I would say Kim Hughes 100* vs WI in 1981 was equal to that Gooch knock. Absolutely awful up and down pitch on day 1, the bowling attack was a touch more devastating, and it looked like people could get seriously hurt out there. Man that MCG pitch was so terrible in the early 80's, just abysmal. Gooch's knock was a whole other kind of awesome in insane swinging conditions. __________________ My Youtube cricket channels, thousands of gold old videos http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda2 http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda

03-09-2011, 08:16 PM	#26 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,857	gooch was good __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

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03-09-2011, 03:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
L Trumper First Class Debutant Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: New York Posts: 870	Headingley 91 : Amidst Gooch's heroics Richards brutal knock in WI 1st innings was easily forgotten, I still think younger Viv would've been stayed in and dominated the attack. No complaints though, given what was followed.

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,718	The standing of Gooch's innings was heightened considerably by the fact the WIndies had won the last 10 tests they'd played here and hadn't lost one for 20 odd years - it was an amazing win, but it wasn't really a team effort it was just Gooch

03-09-2011, 04:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
keeper U19 Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: England Posts: 527	His knock a year later at the same ground wasn't too shabby either. Throw in the knock at Kingston and Gooch's career had peaks of excellence against top quality bowling that Cook has yet to demonstrate. Still, Gooch's career peaked quite late and Cook may well be a more effective accumulator of runs over his career,

04-09-2011, 02:43 PM	#29 (permalink)
robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	Here's some Gooch I uploaded overnight Graham Gooch 135 vs Pakistan - 4th test 1992 - YouTube Graham Gooch 133 - vs Australia 1st Test 1993 ASHES - YouTube Graham Gooch 120 vs Australia - 3rd test 1993 Ashes Trent Bridge - YouTube

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