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    I like to put the subcontinent teams together for various reasons, not least of which is that they have been playing cricket for much shorter period and the history of Pakistan cricket is very short and it is unfair to compare with England or Australia with a 130 years of history.

    So here is my
    Sub-continent XII
    1. Sunil Gavaskar
    2. Hanif Mohamad
    3. Zaheer Abbas/Miandaad
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Vijay Hazare/Rahul Dravid
    6. Vinoo Mankad
    7. Kapil Dev
    8. Imran Khan
    9. Syed Kirmani
    10. Wasim Akram
    11. Erappalli Prasanna/Subhash Gupte
    12. Waqar Younis


    I would choose the final XI based on wicket. On a turning track, I would drop Waqar. On a fast track, I would drop one of the spinners. On a batting beauty, I may drop one of the all rounders, probably Mankad.

    faced with....

    ENGLAND XII

    1. Hobbs
    2. Sutcliffe
    3. Hammond
    4. Ranji
    5. Compton
    6. Botham
    7. Rhodes
    8. Evans/Knott
    9. Trueman
    10. Barnes
    11. Laker
    12. Larwood


    It would be a great match up. as nerve tingling as the australia windies match up I had put for the other similar thread.

    AUSTRALIA XI
    1. Trumper
    2. Ponsford
    3. Bradman
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Harvey
    6. Miller
    7. Warne
    8. Lindwall
    9. Oldfield
    10. Lillee
    11. McGrath
    12. Orielly

    WEST INDIES XII
    1. Hunte
    2. Worrell
    3. Richards
    4. Weekes
    5. Lara
    6. Sobers
    7. Alexander
    8. Marshall
    9. Holding
    10. Gibbs
    11. Roberts
    12. Ramadhin


    Now one needs to make a South African team and a team from the rest and we have a great Super Sixes contest with the creme-de-la-creme of the cricketing history. Wow
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    Subcontinent alltime XI:

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Javed Miandad
    Imran Khan (capt)
    Vinoo Mankad
    Farrokh Engineer/Rashid Latif (wkt)
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Muttiah Muralitharan

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    Subcontinent alltime XI:

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Javed Miandad
    Imran Khan (capt)
    Vinoo Mankad
    Farrokh Engineer/Rashid Latif (wkt)
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    If they were going to play Australia then I think VVS Laxman would have to play. No Hanif?
    You know it makes sense.

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    South Africa XII
    1. Eddie Barlow
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Jacques Kallis
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Colin Bland
    6. Clive Rice*
    7. Jock Cameron+
    8. Mike Procter
    9. Shaun Pollock
    10. Peter Pollock
    11. Allan Donald
    12. Jonty Rhodes
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    The Rest XII (Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, New Zealand)
    1. Bert Sutcliffe
    2. Glenn Turner
    3. Martin Crowe*
    4. Mohammed Ashraful
    5. Andy Flower+
    6. John Reid
    7. Heath Streak
    8. Mohammed Rafique
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Daniel Vettori
    11. Shane Bond
    12. Alok Kapali

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    If they were going to play Australia then I think VVS Laxman would have to play. No Hanif?
    I think its a tossup between Hanif and Sehwag - Hanif had more responsibility thrust upon him and both have played around similar # of games i believe ( correct me if i am wrong) but Sehwag has done a whole lot better.

    As per Laxman vs OZ, i am not sure who would Laxman play instead of - i am uncertain if Laxman's brilliance against OZ can replace Miandad's overall superiority

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    I think its a tossup between Hanif and Sehwag - Hanif had more responsibility thrust upon him and both have played around similar # of games i believe ( correct me if i am wrong) but Sehwag has done a whole lot better.
    True, but Hanif was easily the best player in the team. So was under a lot more pressure. No Dravid or Sachin etc

    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    As per Laxman vs OZ, i am not sure who would Laxman play instead of - i am uncertain if Laxman's brilliance against OZ can replace Miandad's overall superiority
    It is always easier to argue who should be in the side, but much harder to decide who to leave out, would not want to be a selector

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    Thoughts on this all time world XI?

    J.B. Hobbs
    S.M. Gavaskar
    *D.G. Bradman
    I.V.A. Richards
    +A. Flower
    G.st.A Sobers
    I. Khan
    K.R. Miller
    M.D. Marshall
    D.K. Lillee
    J.C. Laker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinho
    Thoughts on this all time world XI?

    J.B. Hobbs
    S.M. Gavaskar
    *D.G. Bradman
    I.V.A. Richards
    +A. Flower
    G.st.A Sobers
    I. Khan
    K.R. Miller
    M.D. Marshall
    D.K. Lillee
    J.C. Laker
    First, i wouldnt go with Hobbs. I am sure many will agree but i personally feel that he played in an era where the game was so different that he would struggle to adjust the modern level of the game. A world XI is redundant unless they are facing the world 2nd XI as a matchup. As such, Hobbs had limited experience facing pace bowlers and none of the ones he faced even remotely compares to the callibre of some of the greats of the modern day cricket. As such, i dont think Hobbs would do well at all as an opener in the modern era, considering that their skills against pace bowling is more important than skills against spin bowling.This is based on a direct skill to skill and experience to expirience transposition and no the even more hypothetical 'what could've been if he was born in this era ? lets assume he would've done exactly as well if he was born 50 years later'.

    Second, i feel that your side is a bit too heavy on bowling resources - on paper, its good to have as many bowling options and batting options as possible but when it comes to bowling, the effect should ( and probably does) platue out after 5 bowlers - a sixth one wont make much of a difference simply because having a lotta bowlers means one or two inevitably misses out on any significant amount of bowling or that you distribute the overs evenly amongst all your bowlers and thus prevent them from finding any rythm. I am sure McGrath bowling 25 overs is more prefferable than Imran, Miller, Botham, Kapil and Hadlee bowling 5 overs each.
    So i would go with atleast 6 topclass batsmen + Andy Flower/Alan Knott/Adam Gillchrist as the top seven. I feel Gilly is the best fit, because he fits in so well at #7. Andy IMO is a harder batsman to get out and more likely to score in crunch situations but in a world XI you arnt gonna face any crunch situations with any sorta regularity. Atleast, you shouldnt.
    As such, Gilly comming in at 250/5 is the best utilisation of batting prowess in my mind.

    Third, i really dont see how Laker, as good as he was, gets in before Murali, Warney, Bedi, Chandra, O'Reiley,Grimmett and Gupte.

    Fourth, i dont see how Lillee gets in before Hadlee, McGrath, Holding, Akram, Ambrose etc. just on bowling prowess alone. Lillee's resume has more holes than those guys.
    So all in all, i would probably go for this XI:

    Gavaskar
    Gooch
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    Richards
    Sobers
    Gillchrist
    Imran Khan (capt)
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan.

    Actually, i think a World first XV is a bit more appropriate, given that unique pitch conditions/matchplay conditions may give the edge to one player slightly over another.

    As such, my world XV would consist of :

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Graham Gooch
    Desmond Haynes
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Gary Sobers
    Steve Waugh/Rahul Dravid ( too close to call IMO)
    Adam Gillchrist
    Imran Khan
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Shane Warne

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    So all in all, i would probably go for this XI:

    Gavaskar
    Gooch
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    Richards
    Sobers
    Gillchrist
    Imran Khan (capt)
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan.

    Actually, i think a World first XV is a bit more appropriate, given that unique pitch conditions/matchplay conditions may give the edge to one player slightly over another.

    As such, my world XV would consist of :

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Graham Gooch
    Desmond Haynes
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Gary Sobers
    Steve Waugh/Rahul Dravid ( too close to call IMO)
    Adam Gillchrist
    Imran Khan
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Shane Warne
    Did you forget Bradman? How can you justify the selection of Gooch over dozens of considerably more successful opening batsmen from Hobbs to Hayden.
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    Fair points, C_C, I've taken them into account...

    J.B. Hobbs
    S.M. Gavaskar
    *D.G. Bradman
    W.R. Hammond
    I.V.A. Richards
    G.st.A Sobers
    +A.C. Gilchrist
    I. Khan
    M.D. Marshall
    S.F. Barnes
    M. Muralitharan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertinho
    Thoughts on this all time world XI?

    J.B. Hobbs
    S.M. Gavaskar
    *D.G. Bradman
    I.V.A. Richards
    +A. Flower
    G.st.A Sobers
    I. Khan
    K.R. Miller
    M.D. Marshall
    D.K. Lillee
    J.C. Laker
    I think this a great side, maybe missing a quality leg spinner, but otherwise top notch

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    Did you forget Bradman? How can you justify the selection of Gooch over dozens of considerably more successful opening batsmen from Hobbs to Hayden.
    DOH!
    talk about a major gaffe and leaving out Bradman !!
    I guess Waugh/Dravid gets the boot and Bradman gets the red carpet in that lineup.

    As per why Gooch, it was another Gaffe ! Gooch gets chucked and Boycott comes in!

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    Sunil Gavaskar 203 9607 50.29 33/42
    2 Geoffrey Boycott 191 8091 48.16 22/42
    3 Rahul Dravid 118 6463 62.14 17/31
    4 Sachin Tendulkar 157 8251 59.78 29/32
    5 Steve Waugh 142 6754 56.28 24/29
    6 Steve Waugh 79 3165 51.04 6/16
    7 Adam Gilchrist 79 3377 51.16 11/13
    8 Kapil Dev 58 1777 33.52 2/11
    9 Curtly Ambrose 97 973 12.01 0/1
    10 Waqar Younis 48 496 11.80 0/0
    11 Glenn McGrath 117 556 7.61 0/1



    How is that side? These are the batsmen with most runs in their respective positions according to Cricinfo. That side will do pretty well, won't they, atleast with the bat.


    Edit: Juz realized that Steve Waugh figures twice. Replace him with Lara.
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    I was amazed that Steve has the record for both places, but I guess there haven't been all that many players who have played enough to contend with him for the number 6 spot
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