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    Is the current Indian management doing a good job?

    There have been a lot of weird selections by the current selection committee,
    India won the world cup majorly because of the players that were groomed under Sourav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid combined with MSD's captaincy. But there are hardly any players which are looking good for long term out of the current selections, and some players are given chances in bits and pieces and then dropped.

    There were very few resources before, but right now there are lot of options available, but still you see a lot of issues, India's bench strength is still pretty weak. Bowling looks toothless without Zaheer, batting looks zero in absence of a few seniors.

    Your views on it?

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    The conditioning and general fitness of the Indian team for the England tour was disgraceful. That's the kind of thing the back-room staff should be monitoring closely.

    A few of the selections smacked of the "Hail Mary" too. RP Singh and Raina playing at The Oval defied logic. No wickets and no runs respectively. Ironically both did better in their supposed weaker disciplines.
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    Fletcher is perfect for spotting talent and guiding them into the side, if he is allowed to do that with the Indian team he will do well. After all who else in England would have picked Trescothick and Vaughan with their records when they were first chosen.

    Trouble is I think he will be made a scapegoat for the England tour and sacked before he can do his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Fletcher is perfect for spotting talent and guiding them into the side, if he is allowed to do that with the Indian team he will do well. After all who else in England would have picked Trescothick and Vaughan with their records when they were first chosen.
    Well, if he does that, he will be thrown out Politics is back in Indian cricket, thanks to the captain and selector.
    Only selected players will get proper chances, others will get chances in bits and peices and will be dropped, hope MSD changes his attitude, otherwise it will be a disaster for long term.


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    they dont give a **** about the tests. hardly any player was even smoderately dejected after the 4-0 hammering..

    only a thrashing in the ODI series will wake up BCCI etc.. they only care about the Limited Overs games (same goes with > 95% of the fans)

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    Fletcher is perfect for spotting talent and guiding them into the side, if he is allowed to do that with the Indian team he will do well. After all who else in England would have picked Trescothick and Vaughan with their records when they were first chosen.

    Trouble is I think he will be made a scapegoat for the England tour and sacked before he can do his job.
    The BCCI aren't paying Fletcher millions to build a team ground up. They're paying him to shut up and make the best of the specimens they're passing off as 'cricketers', and to be the fall guy if things go **** up.
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    With role models like these dicatating training sessions.... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    The BCCI aren't paying Fletcher millions to build a team ground up. They're paying him to shut up and make the best of the specimens they're passing off as 'cricketers', and to be the fall guy if things go **** up.
    Yap, Politics, favouritism, regionalism, corruption,etc. are back in Indian cricket.


    The selectors and captain are doing terrible job when it comes to grooming young talent.
    They just want a selected bunch of players in the team anyhow even though they don't deserve to. Certain players get special treatment and some get chances in bits and pieces and are thrown out.

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    A group of players are getting special treatment,
    it includes Rohit Sharma, M Vijay, RP Singh, Harbhajan Singh, Ashish Nehra, SK Raina,etc.

    While there is another set of players who are being sidelined purposely,
    R Uthappa, Irfan Pathan, Ambati Rayudu, Dinesh Karthik, Yusuf Pathan,etc.

    Don't know where Indian cricket is going under these corrupt bunch of idiots, MSD included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth View Post
    A group of players are getting special treatment,
    it includes Rohit Sharma, M Vijay, RP Singh, Harbhajan Singh, Ashish Nehra, SK Raina,etc.

    While there is another set of players who are being sidelined purposely,
    R Uthappa, Irfan Pathan, Ambati Rayudu, Dinesh Karthik, Yusuf Pathan,etc.

    Don't know where Indian cricket is going under these corrupt bunch of idiots, MSD included.
    From memory, I believe if you check the international records of the sidelined guys you mentioned(except Rayudu of course), they are not much better than those whom you mention as getting special treatment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth View Post
    A group of players are getting special treatment,
    it includes Rohit Sharma, M Vijay, RP Singh, Harbhajan Singh, Ashish Nehra, SK Raina,etc.

    While there is another set of players who are being sidelined purposely,
    R Uthappa, Irfan Pathan, Ambati Rayudu, Dinesh Karthik, Yusuf Pathan,etc.

    Don't know where Indian cricket is going under these corrupt bunch of idiots, MSD included.
    You can make up three lists- youth quota, Dhoni's inner circle quota and Saurashtra Lobby quota, for a little speculation.

    Management is terrible- and at best average- but when you find that the same old mistakes associated with the Indian system continue even when we hire foreigners purely to avoid it- makes one wonder why we look at the candidate's passport at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    From memory, I believe if you check the international records of the sidelined guys you mentioned(except Rayudu of course), they are not much better than those whom you mention as getting special treatment.
    Rahul Dravid dropped for after just 1 bad series,what reason can you give for this?
    Quote Originally Posted by CricAddict View Post
    From memory, I believe if you check the international records of the sidelined guys you mentioned(except Rayudu of course), they are not much better than those whom you mention as getting special treatment.
    Irfan Pathan --
    29 tests 100 wickets . 1 century 6 fifties
    107 ODIs 152 wickets . 5 fifties.
    He did deserve to get dropped but should have been picked again, but is being ignored constantly, he got his swing and rhythm back towards the end of the recent IPL, he could have been an asset in the English conditions. India anyways needed an allrounder to solve the bowling problems, but he wasn't selected even though there have been so many injuries. RP Signh, who hasn't even proved himself in the international arena got selected instead.

    Robin Uthappa --

    Under Dravid(who gave him a settled role)
    4 fifties, 13 innings ,409 runs ,average of 34 and strike rate of 103.

    Under Dhoni,
    only 1 fifty, 21 innings - 377 runs, average of 22 and strike rate of 82.
    Want to know the reason?
    Look at the changes in his batting position under Dhoni.
    3,3,6,5,7,5,6,7,6,3,7,7,7,3,7,1,1,1,6,2,7.
    Is this a joke? Is this some street cricket or something?
    How can he constantly change his batting positions and get him up and down so much?
    You give him a proper role, like how he gave to a Vijay, Mukund, Sharma or Raina.Please learn to see things inside out before commenting on it.
    Dravid clearly handled him well and Dhoni didn't.

    Pragyan Ojha--

    He has played 13 of his 16 ODIs against Sri Lanka,who are are great players of spin, and has yet managed to pick 20 wickets at an economy of 4.3.
    He has also played 11 tests, out which 5 were against Sri Lanka,
    but still picked 42 wickets.

    Again talking about special treatment, what has Ashwin done to get preferred ahead of Ojha?
    Playing against weaker opponents will improve his stats,but he will fail against Pak, SL and others teams who play spin well.


    Dinesh Karthik--
    he got dropped after just one bad series, which was the Sri Lanka triangular series, before the series his previous innings were

    66, 40, 27, 33, 18, 22 ,11 , 79, 44, 34, 48, 19 not out, 32not out, 34, 16, 4 , 47, 4, 67.

    Yusuf Pathan--
    Yusuf Pathan performing under other captains but not under Dhoni.
    Under Gambhir he was brilliant in the 5 ODI series both with the bat and ball.
    Such players are rare to find. He is a hit or miss kind of player, but he is good enough for the international level, even Virender Sehwag was considered a slogger before, but Sourav Ganguly stuck with him and developed his talent, even Australia developed Andrew symonds, its not easy to go out and start hitting all the bowlers out of the park from ball one, most of the time he has came in to bat only to increase the run rate, that's not fair on a player. You should be smart enough to use them. Shane Warne and Gambhir get the best out of Yusuf,but Dhoni doesn't,because he doesn't want him in the team.

    Yusuf is the same player who has hit the 3 most brutal 100s for India last year, 1 in IPL and 2 in international cricket. He bats at number 7, no batsmen has had much success on that number recently,
    Uthappa, Jadeja and even Raina doesn't have a good record at number 7 because a player gets very few overs on that number, he would get to bat early only on bowling pitches. And if at all he is sent early its just to increase the run rate, mostly in the powerplays.

    And I have observed this since quite a long,
    Dhoni has not given Yusuf enough chances to Yusuf to bowl, he gets to bowl more overs only on flat decks, on turning or bouncy pitches, he is just made to bowl 2 or 3 overs and then replaced with some other part timer.
    He has a much better bowling record under other captains and has improved a lot recently.





    Now lets talk about some other players who just keep on getting their chances and get the best possible opportunities. (MSD and Shrikanth favourites I mean)

    Harbhajan Singh--
    Harbhajan has got 3 wickets or more in only 8 occassions out of his previous 80 ODIs and has hardly taken any crucial wickets in tests when its needed, but is still in the ODI side, any strong reason for that apart from his friendship with Dhoni?


    RP Singh--
    Last played his 4 day game in January and is unfit and overweight right now, but still gets selected from nowhere even though he did nothing impressive in domestic matches. And he also went on to play the last test against England. He was bowling like a part timer in that match.

    Murali Vijay--
    12 ODIs- average of 17 and strike rate of 61.
    In tests,
    20 innings, average of 30.
    Don't think i should waste my time commenting on him.

    Suresh Raina--
    Deserves to be in the ODI team, but how can he be selected in tests? and why is he chosen over Yuvraj Singh?
    There are so many players who can contribute better than him in tests.
    The worst part is that he captains the side in absence of Dhoni and Gambhir.

    RP Singh--
    Gets selected after not so great domestic performance, has played his last 4 day game in January but still played against England,

    etc. etc, etc,
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    I assume that we are speaking about ODIs and my post was only about the players you referred in your original post.

    Irfan vs RP

    The general consensus here is that IPL is ****, but if you want to consider performances there to defend Irfan, then RP Singh took more wickets at a better average there. And Irfan was injured in the domestic season. Hence he hasnt done anything to consider selection above RP (I consider RP's selection as **** as well)

    Uthappa vs Raina
    Do you think Raina has a settled role? No. The only difference is Raina performs the role given to him more admirably than Uthappa.

    Dinesh karthik vs Rohit Sharma - No need to provide evidence. Rohit clearly wins here.

    Yusuf vs Harbhajan, Nehra, Vijay - I am comparing apples to oranges here. But as I replied, if you purely go by international records, Yusuf's is not much better than the other 3. But I agree that Yusuf should have been given more chances up the order to prove his credentials. He has been very much underutilised.

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    The most important thing right now is to come up with an exit plan for the three old men in the team, Dravid included. As much as I love somebody like Laxman for his game and contributions over the past decade, there is just no way a poor physical specimen like that (at least at this stage of his career, not that he's ever been a livewire) should be allowed anywhere near an international sporting field. It sets a bad example and basically tells kids that you can get by with a wreck of a body as long as you have adequate talent. I know how cruel this sounds but my cringing at the team's showings in the field have increased exponentially over the years.

    Even Sachin and Dravid; someone really needs to have a private word with all three of them to go out gracefully. They can always take a breather for a couple of years and then join the ranks in an advisory/coaching capacity like so many ex players from other countries have. But they definitely aren't getting any younger and kids like Pujara sure are growing older. Blood the deserving ones as soon as possible. We're going to be losing badly (as if it can get any worse) once these three go anyway so why not get hammered now with a new look team and look forward to something better two years out from here?

    Fitness related stuff..well, that pic of Zaheer from a few months ago says it all, doesn't it? Looked like a pudgy confectioner. I don't know what these ****s do in the gym but surely awareness has grown over the years? We might not be a genetically gifted people but there's no excuse to look like "that" for an international sportsman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    The most important thing right now is to come up with an exit plan for the three old men in the team, Dravid included. As much as I love somebody like Laxman for his game and contributions over the past decade, there is just no way a poor physical specimen like that (at least at this stage of his career, not that he's ever been a livewire) should be allowed anywhere near an international sporting field. It sets a bad example and basically tells kids that you can get by with a wreck of a body as long as you have adequate talent. I know how cruel this sounds but my cringing at the team's showings in the field have increased exponentially over the years.

    Even Sachin and Dravid; someone really needs to have a private word with all three of them to go out gracefully. They can always take a breather for a couple of years and then join the ranks in an advisory/coaching capacity like so many ex players from other countries have. But they definitely aren't getting any younger and kids like Pujara sure are growing older. Blood the deserving ones as soon as possible. We're going to be losing badly (as if it can get any worse) once these three go anyway so why not get hammered now with a new look team and look forward to something better two years out from here?

    Fitness related stuff..well, that pic of Zaheer from a few months ago says it all, doesn't it? Looked like a pudgy confectioner. I don't know what these ****s do in the gym but surely awareness has grown over the years? We might not be a genetically gifted people but there's no excuse to look like "that" for an international sportsman?

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    lulz, sachin has had his first below avg (avged 34 still mind u) in a long time, and dravid was just about unbelievably heroic, and youi call for their heads.

    i am not advocating for a free ride for these big guns, but atm they deserve to be in the team. and it's not as if the juniors stepped up every single ****ing time they got a chance in eng only to see that taken away by underperforming seniors either.

    and test cricket ain't about just athelticism and ott training. with all these impediments that have unfortunately led to your hair being sodomised, you might have missed out on a tiny detail, that we were no.1 for nearly three years. and we won a ****ing world cup as well. and you know, that's a double which has been done by only two teams in cricketing history, windies of the 80s and aussies of the noughties. all the supermen from england, south africa, new zealand, sri lanka, etc etc have all produced eons better guys apparently on the field, but somehow destiny has picked and chosen this bunch of old, withering, fat, lazy donkeys to occupy the front bench with the greatests.

    even the english team had to wait for such an embarassingly long time to taste what it feels to be no.1 ever since the game began to be played by over 5 members in a serious manner.

    sounds like india bashing is the theme and absolutely no wonder why some existing posters were showering praises on you. welcome to the forums. enjoy your stay.

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