Indian team selection & Captaincy - Page 2

anzac · 22-10-2003, 03:55 AM

IMO the best method is to select the best available team for the conditions and then select the Captain from that list.

As I said earlier the only time you consider otherwise is when the Captain's performance as a leader, tactician & developer of players is above the norm that it enhances or compensates his batting.

Neil Pickup · 22-10-2003, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by esgallindeion
I, myself, would prefer Yuvraj Singh or Mohd Kaif in the side. But that's only my personal preference.

Why Kaif? He's done very, very little since the 2002 NatWest Final.

Yuvraj I can see a small case for but he batted like, well, a rabbit almost, in England this summer whilst Laxman saved you in that Test and that average doesn't even include the 281...

Rik · 22-10-2003, 09:34 AM

Well if Ganguly was to be replaced as captain I wouldn't want Dravid or Tendulkar having to be burdened with it. I would actually go for Laxman because he's done it in India A and all these one side of India against the other games. Really there isn't anyone else, Chopra, Harbajan, Kumble, Khan, Nehra? Even the 2 players I would have competeing for the other opening spot for now, SS Das and S Ramesh, arn't good candidates. But Ganguly at the moment is upsetting the balance of the team, forcing Sehwag to open, not scoring many runs in the process and on occasions being very selfish and playing for himself, not the team. Not only that but I haven't really seen any signs that his captaincy is valuable enough to make him a must pick.

marc71178 · 22-10-2003, 10:13 AM

AA for Captain!

gibbsnsmith · 22-10-2003, 10:25 AM

let him get in the team first...hes talented enough to get selected but captaincy is going too far..

[ i doubt you were serious]

Richard · 22-10-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by anzac
IMO the best method is to select the best available team for the conditions and then select the Captain from that list.

As I said earlier the only time you consider otherwise is when the Captain's performance as a leader, tactician & developer of players is above the norm that it enhances or compensates his batting.

I very much agree with this - always have done. The notion of selecting a captain who doesn't merit his place in the side is absurd.
However, I genuinely felt, at some times, that Ganguly fitted the mould of your second paragraph. At least taken in the context of India's captaincy since Azhar (and hindsight suggests he was in fact the worst of the lot). Ganguly's captaincy was exception at times, and I'd like to see anyone who thinks he can do half as well.

Richard · 22-10-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by esgallindeion
That's what u guys would be feeling there in England and other places, and the records also support you. But here in India, or at least the place where I am, people don't really support Laxman.

:O I honestly struggle to believe this.:O
How can you possibly not support someone who has been so consistent for such a good period of time?

Anil · 22-10-2003, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by esgallindeion
That's what u guys would be feeling there in England and other places, and the records also support you. But here in India, or at least the place where I am, people don't really support Laxman.

I, myself, would prefer Yuvraj Singh or Mohd Kaif in the side. But that's only my personal preference.

Can you tell me exactly why people don't support Laxman? I am an Indian and I have felt for the past couple of years that he has been an indispensable member of the team. I have even felt that he has been given a raw deal as far as the one dayers are concerned. This is the first time I am hearing that a lot of Indians feel Laxman should be replaced, that too in tests, by Kaif or Yuvraj.:O :O

Neil Pickup · 23-10-2003, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Richard
I very much agree with this - always have done. The notion of selecting a captain who doesn't merit his place in the side is absurd.

JM Brearley?

Richard · 23-10-2003, 07:01 AM

Brearley was exceptional and was one of the rare exceptions anilramavarma talked about.

anzac · 01-11-2003, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by Richard
I very much agree with this - always have done. The notion of selecting a captain who doesn't merit his place in the side is absurd.
However, I genuinely felt, at some times, that Ganguly fitted the mould of your second paragraph. At least taken in the context of India's captaincy since Azhar (and hindsight suggests he was in fact the worst of the lot). Ganguly's captaincy was exception at times, and I'd like to see anyone who thinks he can do half as well.

agreed, but IMO now only applicable to ODIs...I haven't seen anything from him in a Test series for some time - perhaps the Away tour to England????

Mr Mxyzptlk · 01-11-2003, 09:41 PM

Ganguly in my mind is a class batsman, and while he has done a heck of alot for Indian cricket as captain, his personal game has suffered greatly. As such, I don't think he deserves the criticism he's getting.

esgallindeion · 02-11-2003, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by anilramavarma
Can you tell me exactly why people don't support Laxman? I am an Indian and I have felt for the past couple of years that he has been an indispensable member of the team. I have even felt that he has been given a raw deal as far as the one dayers are concerned. This is the first time I am hearing that a lot of Indians feel Laxman should be replaced, that too in tests, by Kaif or Yuvraj.:O :O

That just proves what I said. Laxman doesn't have as huge a fan following as Yuvraj, Kaif or Sehwag. I never compared these players on their batting abilities but on the basis of the support that they enjoy. So please don't tell me that he has already scored a century in the current series whereas the others haven't.

He's doing well currently, but most people I know believe that other players should be given preference over him. Yuvraj and Kaif have built a huge reputation over here. People actually love to see these two bat... much more than Laxman.

I agree that he should be kept a constant member of the test side, but in ODIs his place is less certain. I think that if the selectors would have had to drop any one batsman from the team, it would usually have been Laxman. But with his current form, they might find i hard.

Also his average isn't particualrly as great as many of us would like it to be. With Srinath gone, he's undoubtedly the worst fielder in the team.

Richard · 02-11-2003, 04:55 AM

The worst ground-fielder, maybe, but he can sure catch.

V Reddy · 02-11-2003, 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by anzac
agreed, but IMO now only applicable to ODIs...I haven't seen anything from him in a Test series for some time - perhaps the Away tour to England????

You can add the tests in WI too :rolleyes:

22-10-2003, 09:34 AM	#18 (permalink)
Rik Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shropshire, England Posts: 8,353	Well if Ganguly was to be replaced as captain I wouldn't want Dravid or Tendulkar having to be burdened with it. I would actually go for Laxman because he's done it in India A and all these one side of India against the other games. Really there isn't anyone else, Chopra, Harbajan, Kumble, Khan, Nehra? Even the 2 players I would have competeing for the other opening spot for now, SS Das and S Ramesh, arn't good candidates. But Ganguly at the moment is upsetting the balance of the team, forcing Sehwag to open, not scoring many runs in the process and on occasions being very selfish and playing for himself, not the team. Not only that but I haven't really seen any signs that his captaincy is valuable enough to make him a must pick. __________________ "Age is just a stupid number" 20...that's a rather big number :(:(:(

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22-10-2003, 03:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
anzac International Debutant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canberra, ACT Posts: 2,585	IMO the best method is to select the best available team for the conditions and then select the Captain from that list. As I said earlier the only time you consider otherwise is when the Captain's performance as a leader, tactician & developer of players is above the norm that it enhances or compensates his batting.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	Brearley was exceptional and was one of the rare exceptions anilramavarma talked about.

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Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	The worst ground-fielder, maybe, but he can sure catch.

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