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    where would england rank among the great sides of the past?

    now that england have delivered a ko to india and claimed the no 1 position for themselves, where would you rank them among the pantheon of great sides of the past like australia (95-2005) or west indies (1980s)???
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    Here's Simon Wilde's top ten test teams. Perhaps England can beat 9 or 10....

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    Imran's sside seems over rated @ 6 though I don't mind that one bit.


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    they are not even the best team at the moment, forget about being in the list of the great teams of the past! if they win this series convincingly, and manage to avoid losing in the subcontinent this winter and the next one, then they deservedly belong in that rarefield realm.
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    Ignoring the obvious fact that England aren't Number 1 and yet might not be, they're also not a great side.
    You have to get away from the idea that the Number 1 team is going to be an Australia or West Indies of the past sweeping all before them for 15 years. There are no great sides in world cricket at the moment and the Number 1 could well fluctuate regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    Imran's sside seems over rated @ 6 though I don't mind that one bit.
    Imran's side > Ponting's side

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Blaze View Post
    Imran's side > Ponting's side
    tbf they went toe to toe with the top side on that list won away to India, England and Nzl were unbeaten at home but yeah they cannot match the aura and domination that Punter side had.Imran's side was more a scrappy fighting unit that would tend to overachieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Blaze View Post
    Imran's side > Ponting's side
    Ponting and Imran didn't just have "a side" tho, both were in charge of their nations for a considerable time & the XIs evolved. The, if you will, "Classic Early Period Ponting" XI:

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    Ponting*
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    was one of the very best teams ever assembled.

    As for England, looooooong way to go yet. A more pertinent question would be if they're better than the Vaughan-lead side of 2004-2005.

    Although, I will say that I think that if England win this series they've earned the right to be considered #1 currently regardless of what the rankings say. Cricket watchers have become too slavishly devoted to the ICC's rankings, a system that once, let's not forget, said South Africa were better than the Aussies despite the former then never having beaten the latter after their return to tests following the Apartheid ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Ponting and Imran didn't just have "a side" tho, both were in charge of their nations for a considerable time & the XIs evolved. The, if you will, "Classic Early Period Ponting" XI:
    Wrong.

    Imran became a skipper in 82 and by 86 the side that was playing was basically handpicked by Imran, he made some hard decisions when he became captain in 82 dropped his best friend Sarfraz and his cousin Majid both have not been on good terms with him since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Ponting and Imran didn't just have "a side" tho, both were in charge of their nations for a considerable time & the XIs evolved. The, if you will, "Classic Early Period Ponting" XI:

    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting*
    Lehmann
    Clarke
    Martyn
    Gilchrist+
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath


    was one of the very best teams ever assembled.

    As for England, looooooong way to go yet. A more pertinent question would be if they're better than the Vaughan-lead side of 2004-2005.

    Although, I will say that I think that if England win this series they've earned the right to be considered #1 currently regardless of what the rankings say. Cricket watchers have become too slavishly devoted to the ICC's rankings, a system that once, let's not forget, said South Africa were better than the Aussies despite the former then never having beaten the latter after their return to tests following the Apartheid ban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Ponting and Imran didn't just have "a side" tho, both were in charge of their nations for a considerable time & the XIs evolved. The, if you will, "Classic Early Period Ponting" XI:

    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting*
    Lehmann
    Clarke
    Martyn
    Gilchrist+
    Warne
    Lee
    Gillespie
    McGrath


    was one of the very best teams ever assembled.
    Depends how many you include it as "one of" really, because I don't think it was as good as the 2001 or 2006 vintage.

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    England are nowhere near. They're a good team with some good players, that's all.

    As to whether they are the best in the world, one of the funny things about the ICC rankings is that they don't tell you who is the best team currently but rather who has been the best team over a certain (and of course entirely arbitrary) period of the recent past. So if England were to win this series by 2 matches, their elevation to number 1 would be largely retrospective.

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    The thing is, there isn't really a better objective way to do it, is there?

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