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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball
    MS Dhoni - 0 - would probably have kept better had he taped frying pans to his gloves. Gains bonus points for his batting at Edgbaston. Loses all points gained for repeated irresponsible batting throughout the series, which has somehow escaped scrutiny. Exposed the tail to the new ball 2nd innings at Lord's and the Oval when batting for a draw was a remote possibility, and squandered a great position at Trent Bridge in the first innings. Here's a hint: when Rahul Dravid is 110 not out at the other end, you have a lead of 50 and the opposition bowlers are moving a new ball outside your off stump, and you only have the tail behind you, cover driving isn't a particularly smart idea.
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    I lost my **** when Dhoni threw his wicket away in the first innings of Trent Bridge. Worst batting from a captain you would likely ever see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    I lost my **** when Dhoni threw his wicket away in the first innings of Trent Bridge. Worst batting from a captain you would likely ever see.
    Was awful, particularly on the back of Dravid and Yuvraj building such a great platform to boince back from.

    Oval 2nd dig was annoying as well, 20 runs away from making England bat again and Tendulkar and Mishra have just batted for 3 hours without alarms. At least bat with a bit of pride and do your ****ing best to make things difficult for England to complete their whitewash.

    Instead, Dhoni decides coverdriving a new ball is a great idea.
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    It's always that same prank-shot he does where he tries to muscle the ball through the off side with no foot movement. He tried to do the same to Dale Steyn. I wouldn't even dignify it by calling it a cover drive. And I really hate cover drives.

    What was particularly frustrating was that in his first knock of the series he didn't try to dominate the bowling anywhere near enough and let England bowl filth in the lead up to the new ball. He went into his shell when presented with a great opportunity to attack and then repeatedly tried to attack in situations that demanded the opposite.
    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.


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    Most ratings I've seen have given him a 3 or a 4 - his batting at Edgbaston aside, I literally can think of only one thing he did during the series that was worthy of praise - the decision to recall Bell at Trent Bridge. His keeping was utterly abysmal all series and his batting was probably the worst of the lot. I'm prepared to forgive technical weaknesses against short bowling or players just being done in by good bowling, but not the way Dhoni repeatedly exposed his tail to a new ball. It's made worse because he's the captain and you'd think he would bat with a shred of responsibility.

    His captaincy also deserves criticism - why Bell didn't have a third man all series is beyond me.

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    Also, whoever decided Gambhir was fit to bat at the Oval should be sacked. That was a disgraceful decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    India have long had Laxman as their back up number 3. He wants to bat there, Tendulkar feels more comfortable at 4. Whenever Dravid's opened in the past, VVS has put his hand up. It's really not an issue at all for mine.
    Yes, I think that's all it came down to and it was mentioned on SKY coms a few time that VVS fancies himself as a NO3. Bit like Bell's case, he actually would love to bat for England at 3 and jumped at the chance but he's for the moment behind Trott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Also, whoever decided Gambhir was fit to bat at the Oval should be sacked. That was a disgraceful decision.
    You could see on those slow-mo's when he banged his head that he was concuss, his eyes had rolled into the back of his head and like when someone gets knocked out proper, their legs and arms all straighten out and shake, he looked really ****ed up.
    Last edited by Jacknife; 10-09-2011 at 12:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Andrew Strauss - 7 - Huge kudos for captaining his side to a whitewash, fairly meh series with the bat. Was never out of nick but never looked like going on with his form either.
    Ali Cook - 8 - A fairly unproductive series aside from a monstrous 294 at Edgbaston. You'd take that from your opening bat though. Probably doesn't deserve eight for only being successful once in 4 tests. His weakness was exposed again and again by mediocre to lol-worthy bowlers
    Jonathan Trott - 6 - good fighting innings on day 1 at Lord's to help set up the series. Bonus point for attempting to audition for World War Z whilst batting at Trent Bridge.
    Kevin Pietersen - 9 - Imperious. Complete ownage of the Indian bowlers all series, treated them like an under 9s side at Lord's.
    Ian Bell - 9 - exploited Dhoni's generous captaincy throughout the series by helping himself to approximately 16,000 runs through third man.
    Eoin Morgan - 5 - couple of nice innings against joke bowling, worrylingly exposed at other times.
    Matt Prior - 8 - kept well, bashed crucial runs to set up the first two test wins.
    Stuart Broad - 10 - where the hell have you been for the last 2 years? I can only assume his early season form was part of some evil genius plan.
    Chris Tremlett - 6 - reasonable contribution at Lord's.
    Graeme Swann - 7 - crucial runs at Trent Bridge, looked like the weak link until the Oval. As in Australia, when given his one turning track of the series, made it count.
    James Anderson - 9 - utterly owned the Indian top order despite not really firing on all cylinders.
    Tim Bresnan - 9 - brilliant with bat and ball, responded to being written off as a defensive option by bouncing the top order out.
    Ravi Bopara - 4 - meh.

    Gautam Gambhir - 2 - poor series. Possibly **** his pants at Trent Bridge, redeemed himself by playing on through concussion at the Oval. Incidentally, whoever ok'd Gambhir playing at the Oval needs to take a good look at themselves.
    Abhinav Mukund - 3 - decent innings at Lord's, clearly out of his depth in Test cricket, which he can't really be blamed for.
    Vehrinder Sehwag - 0 - hilariously bad with the bat, too lazy to field. Woeful.
    Rahul Dravid - 10 - heroic in the face of disaster. Was the only Indian batsman not to have a technical weakness exposed then ruthlessly exploited by the England bowlers, who pretty much had to resort to bowling magic balls to even have a chance of getting out. 2 unbeaten tons, would have been 3 had he not needed to slog at Trent Bridge, opened in 5 innings (effectively 7 with Sehwag's "efforts" at Edgbaston), could not have done anything more. Also kept wicket. Could conceivably lose a point for some poor slip fielding, but in light of everything else he gave for his team, I'm not going to be that harsh. WAG.
    Sachin Tendulkar - 3 - fairly unproductive series, scored his runs when they didn't matter, owned again by Jimmeh, loses points for being a selfish **** and refusing to bat at 3, forcing the team's lower order firefighter up to number 3 instead. Gets a bonus point for ensuring cricinfo will be readable for the forseeable future by saving us from the months of sycophantic articles we'd have had to endure had he reached his milestone. you mean owned mainly by Broad 2011 Pataudi Trophy stats thread
    VVS Laxman - 4 - forced out of position, started series decently. Very generously gave England's fine leg fielders catching practice and seemed to forget where his offstump was. Anderson got him 4 times! Disagree that he was forced out of position. He prefers to bat at 3. however he probably wasn't as suited to this position as tendulkar in these conditions.
    Suresh Raina - 2 - should be investigated by the ICC for sending out a doppleganger 2nd dig at Lord's. I refuse to believe the man who made a composed half century was the same man who got himself into such a tangle when the ball bounced above his knees. deserves 0 IMO
    Yuvraj Singh - 5 - achieved a personal milestone when he was described by the Sky team as a "good player of spin" for the first time in his career.
    MS Dhoni - 0 - would probably have kept better had he taped frying pans to his gloves. Gains bonus points for his batting at Edgbaston. Loses all points gained for repeated irresponsible batting throughout the series, which has somehow escaped scrutiny. Exposed the tail to the new ball 2nd innings at Lord's and the Oval when batting for a draw was a remote possibility, and squandered a great position at Trent Bridge in the first innings. Here's a hint: when Rahul Dravid is 110 not out at the other end, you have a lead of 50 and the opposition bowlers are moving a new ball outside your off stump, and you only have the tail behind you, cover driving isn't a particularly smart idea. should get a negative rating
    Harbhajan - 0 - simultaneously made a mockery of the idea that India had the spinning advantage going into the series, and the 400+ Test wicket list. Managed to be outbowled by Raina and Yuvraj, which was no mean feat.
    Praveen Kumar - 8 - Dravid aside, India's only shining light throughout the series. Always kept the batsmen honest, constantly prized out wickets at crucial times, and entertained with his batting.
    Ishant Sharma - 4 - great spell 2nd innings at Lord's to put India into a potential winning position, gets a bonus point for being the only Indian bowler on the 2nd morning at the Oval who looked like he knew what he was meant to be doing with the strange red thing in their hands. Shame he ruined it by bowling innocuous rubbish for the rest of the series.
    Zaheer Khan - 0 - here's a gym membership son, how about you use it once in a while given your importance to the Indian team?
    Sreesanth - 0 - apparently good in bowler friendly conditions. I can only assume CricketWeb have confused Sreesanth with somebody else. Presumably gets away with calling himself a bowler because the Indian public have no idea what a good seam bowler looks like.
    Amit Mishra - 4 - should probably reinvent himself as a batsman. Achieved the admirable feat of making Harbhajan Singh look like a threatening spinner.
    RP Singh - 0 - the BCCI could have called up literally anyone from the beach in Miami and they'd probably have done better. LOL
    fair enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    India have long had Laxman as their back up number 3. He wants to bat there, Tendulkar feels more comfortable at 4. Whenever Dravid's opened in the past, VVS has put his hand up. It's really not an issue at all for mine.
    Yeah exactly. This has been occurring for years and years.

    Right now if India asked Laxman whether he'd rather bat 3 or 5, he'd say 3. He would say that every day of his career really. Had Dravid never existed or been dropped a year or so ago Laxman would have batted 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    Yeah exactly. This has been occurring for years and years.

    Right now if India asked Laxman whether he'd rather bat 3 or 5, he'd say 3. He would say that every day of his career really. Had Dravid never existed or been dropped a year or so ago Laxman would have batted 3.
    exactly.

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    Haha are people actually arguing that Laxman shouldn't have come at 3? Hilarious

    Laxman is godly @ 3

    Laxman's technique is more loose than Sachin's, but Laxman is a much more capable of playing a counter attacking innings @ 3 than Sachin is, it's such a non argument this, seriously lol.

    Truth is Laxman has throw away the starts which he should have, and maybe on another day or series, would have been 100's. The other half times he just got beauties from Anderson, that could have happened to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Contra View Post
    Haha are people actually arguing that Laxman shouldn't have come at 3? Hilarious
    Not only that, but it was Sachin who somehow being selfish took over the captaincy and forced him to bat at 3 when he didn't want too.

    The best part is people state it as not even a speculative judgement,but as if they were in the dressing room when all this was happening and know for a fact.
    Last edited by Cevno; 10-09-2011 at 07:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    Not only that, but it was Sachin who somehow being selfish took over the captaincy and forced him to bat at 3 when he didn't want too.

    The best part is people state it as not even a speculative judgement,but as if they were in the dressing room when all this was happening and know for a fact.
    Haha, my ratings were half joking. Suprised you've picked on the Tendulkar part given everything else I wrote.

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    You gave Gambhir a 2 GF? For what, ****ting himself every time he was asked to man up? Apart from Dravid and Praveen the rest of the team can go do one. Raina a Test player? Heh. RP Singh, Sreesanth. ****ing sick of these guys already.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    True, a Duffer "heh" is like 50 likes.

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