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Geoffrey Boycott: ICC's Dream XI is a joke - it has no credibility

Lillian Thomson

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And If you seriously think that Alan Knott brought more to the team than Gilchrist did then I must say you should apply your rules to yourself.

I think as a wicketkeeper batsman Gilchrist is a much better option for a team and much more worthy of the wicketkeeper slot than Alan Knott.
Your question was "On what basis was Knott chosen ahead of Gilchrist"?
The simple answer is being a far superior wicketkeeper - which is Boycott's own explanation for choosing him.

You can agree with it or not. It's still the answer to your question.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
My AT XI

Karthik
Jaffer
Dravid
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Laxman
Dhoni
Kumble
Khan
Singh
Sreesanth

Simples
 

BlazeDragon

Banned
Boycott can admit bowling was easier in Barnes's time than McGrath's and still pick Barnes though because the bloke averaged 16; it's about four fifths of McGrath's average. Even if you take the relative ease of bowling then as compared to now into account, Barnes still comes out very favourably.
What about wickets then? Its really a laughable matter if you say that Barnes was a more effective wicket taker than Mcgrath. Its not just about averages.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
He has picked only 1 player from our generation
Should this really be a surprise? How many years do you consider "our generation" to be, may I ask? Test cricket has been around since 1877 which means, in an entirely even breakdown, you'd only get one player from each bracket of 12 years or so. The ICC XI picked one player who debuted before 1971 - that's 9% of the team for 70% of history. And that, mind you, ignores all cricket's pre-Test history as well.
 
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Prince EWS

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What about wickets then? Its really a laughable matter if you say that Barnes was a more effective wicket taker than Mcgrath. Its not just about averages.
Barnes's wicket tally was very high for his time. That more Tests were played during McGrath's era does not make him a better bowler.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Your question was "On what basis was Knott chosen ahead of Gilchrist"?
The simple answer is being a far superior wicketkeeper - which is Boycott's own explanation for choosing him.

You can agree with it or not. It's still the answer to your question.
And I disagree with the explanation because Gilchrist makes a team stronger than Knott would.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What about wickets then? Its really a laughable matter if you say that Barnes was a more effective wicket taker than Mcgrath. Its not just about averages.
Why? The bloke took considerably more wickets per match at a considerably better average and he took the considerably faster than McGrath did.
Even accounting for pitches he was still the best bowler of his generation by a non-insignificant margin.
During his career he almost took twice the number of wickers as anybody else ffs.
 

benchmark00

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Both teams are dumb, for different reasons.

Fan XI has no Sobers and has Sehwag opening and just as ridiculous is the fact Boycott has Knott over Gilchrist, who other than Bradman should be the very first player picked.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
And I disagree with the explanation because Gilchrist makes a team stronger than Knott would.
If you've got a top 6 of Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers it could be argued that you can afford to pick the best keeper with less regard to his batting, especially when the keeper happens to be a perfectly competent batsman.
 

benchmark00

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If you've got a top 6 of Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers it could be argued that you can afford to pick the best keeper with less regard to his batting, especially when the keeper happens to be a perfectly competent batsman.
You're making it sound like Gilchrist was an inept keeper though, which is rubbish. Gilchrist was a good keeper in his own right, though Knott obviously better. There is such a huge gulf between their batsmanship though which makes it criminal to pick Knott over Gilchrist.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
If you've got a top 6 of Hobbs, Gavaskar, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers it could be argued that you can afford to pick the best keeper with less regard to his batting, especially when the keeper happens to be a perfectly competent batsman.
And if the Keeper is perfectly competent and has a proven track record to keeping against all time great attack, I would rather pick the Keeper who can also bat like an all time great batsman if needed.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
You're making it sound like Gilchrist was an inept keeper though, which is rubbish. Gilchrist was a good keeper in his own right, though Knott obviously better. There is such a huge gulf between their batsmanship though which makes it criminal to pick Knott over Gilchrist.
Where do I imply that Gilchrist was inept? Gilchrist was a Test class keeper but not one of the very best.
 

hang on

State Vice-Captain
Barnes's wicket tally was very high for his time. That more Tests were played during McGrath's era does not make him a better bowler.
actually, it 'does'. being able to remain excellent over a longer period of time does make one a better bowler. yes, it is unfair in that one would never know it barnes could have remained superb over a long period of time in tests but many would argue that a bird in the hand.....
 

Prince EWS

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actually, it 'does'. being able to remain excellent over a longer period of time does make one a better bowler. yes, it is unfair in that one would never know it barnes could have remained superb over a long period of time in tests but many would argue that a bird in the hand.....
He didn't maintain it over a longer period of time though; he just maintained it over more Tests in a period of a very similar length.
 

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