Anil Kumble and Amit Mishra

Salamuddin · 15-10-2003, 05:48 PM

What are people's thoughts on him ?
I read that during the Motera test, he picked up his 350th test wicket.

Is he one of the finest spinners the game has seen ? Yet, his
figures show a large discrepancy between his performance at home and abroad.
I think abroad, he averages about 36 compared to 25 at home.

I'm a little puzzled as to why India haven't drafted young MIshra
into their squad as the replacement(probably should within a year if not immediately) for Kumble.
I saw Mishra in action for India A against RSA in England this year.
This kid really gives it a rip - not since Warne circa 93 have I seen a wrist spinner turn it that much. Certainly not from the likes of Stuey McGill, Mustaq, Kaneria, Kumble and Hogg.

I can see Amit Mishra being a huge weapon for India if they pick him -- even on overseas tracks.
Unlike Kumble he has the turn and the variation to be dangerous anywhere.

masterblaster · 15-10-2003, 06:48 PM

Yeah I agree, Mishra is a good future prospect. The only thing which is keeping Kumble in the team is his reputation.

He lived upto it in the Ahmedabad test, but he is skating on thin ice. A bad tour of Australia and then a bad home series could see Kumble discarded, and see someone like Mishra drafted in.

Mishra is young, but needs a bit more time at the domestic level under his belt. Kumble is great in the dying overs and as a proven match winner.

Stick with Kumble for the time being....

lord_of_darkness · 16-10-2003, 03:29 AM

Yep Mishra is certainly the future.. Kumble seems to be nearing his end but is holding on to thin rope

esgallindeion · 16-10-2003, 03:47 AM

yeah, Kumble is nearing the end of his career as a cricketer.

gibbsnsmith · 16-10-2003, 09:14 AM

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Is he one of the finest spinners the game has seen

Kumble? a finger spinner?

PY · 16-10-2003, 09:17 AM

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Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
Kumble? a finger spinner?

Think you may have read that wrong

Richard · 16-10-2003, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by PY
Think you may have read that wrong

Yes, it seems that way, but really Kumble is everything the stereotypical fingerspinner is - struggles away from the subcontinent (he hardly played on the last WI tour if memory serves c), because he doesn't put the normal wrip that a wristspinner does.
Kumble is indisputably a wristspinner, but he's an unorthodox one.

Anil · 16-10-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Richard
Kumble is indisputably a wristspinner, but he's an unorthodox one.

....as in one who rarely spins the ball, which is what a spinner is basically supposed to do.....

lord_of_darkness · 16-10-2003, 10:33 PM

i thought he did better touring because he doesnt rely on spin that much.. as most of his balls are fast and skid through the wicket.. so even minimal spin of the surface helps him and he can manage!

iamdavid · 16-10-2003, 11:59 PM

Mishra wasnt awfully impressive on the India A tour of England , Duhram didnt seem to have any undue trouble playing him , he is a great feildsman though & I think he would be more threatening in Australian conditions than Kumble , however as you guys point out reputation will likely keep Kumble in the team for a little while longer.

lord_of_darkness · 17-10-2003, 12:12 AM

Yep no arguing there...

they wont let mishra off the leash yet..they will still feel kumble can be of use because of his vast experience...

Richard · 17-10-2003, 11:51 AM

On Mishra - he has a good First-Class record, but he had a disappointing time when the "A" team called over here. Personally I'd recommend wait and see, give him another "A" tour before picking him ahead of a performer who has been proven class for a long time.
This New Zealand series has demonstrated something I have thought for a while - why on Earth is Harbhajan Singh rated higher than Kumble? He somehow managed to get decent figures in New Zealand, in the most un-spin-friendly conditions you could wish to see, and in West Indies and England he often managed to improve his figures by picking up wickets in the second-half of the innings, having been ineffectual against decent batsmen.
Like Saqlain, Harbhajan is a decent bowler on big-turning wickets anytime, and bowling at tail-enders on any pitch, but put him against competant top-order batting on a decent wicket and he'll not trouble.

Anil · 17-10-2003, 02:29 PM

Player Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10
Kumble(home) 40 2130.1 5013 232 10/74 14/149 21.60 2.35 55.0 16 4
Kumble(away) 37 1909 4908 123 6/53 8/113 39.90 2.57 93.1 4 0
Harb(home) 17 852.1 2091 94 8/84 15/217 22.24 2.45 54.3 9 2
Harb(away) 17 672.4 1890 54 5/115 8/180 35.00 2.80 74.7 2 0

Not much of a difference between the two to say one is superior to the other....

marc71178 · 17-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Those figures suggest to me that Singh is the better option.

Interesting how those 2 have those averages outside India and aren't really criticised, yet Giles has a similar average to that and is...

lord_of_darkness · 17-10-2003, 05:21 PM

lol giles isint really that great..

15-10-2003, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Salamuddin International Debutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lakemba, Sydney Posts: 2,074	Anil Kumble and Amit Mishra What are people's thoughts on him ? I read that during the Motera test, he picked up his 350th test wicket. Is he one of the finest spinners the game has seen ? Yet, his figures show a large discrepancy between his performance at home and abroad. I think abroad, he averages about 36 compared to 25 at home. I'm a little puzzled as to why India haven't drafted young MIshra into their squad as the replacement(probably should within a year if not immediately) for Kumble. I saw Mishra in action for India A against RSA in England this year. This kid really gives it a rip - not since Warne circa 93 have I seen a wrist spinner turn it that much. Certainly not from the likes of Stuey McGill, Mustaq, Kaneria, Kumble and Hogg. I can see Amit Mishra being a huge weapon for India if they pick him -- even on overseas tracks. Unlike Kumble he has the turn and the variation to be dangerous anywhere.

15-10-2003, 06:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
masterblaster International Captain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,065	Yeah I agree, Mishra is a good future prospect. The only thing which is keeping Kumble in the team is his reputation. He lived upto it in the Ahmedabad test, but he is skating on thin ice. A bad tour of Australia and then a bad home series could see Kumble discarded, and see someone like Mishra drafted in. Mishra is young, but needs a bit more time at the domestic level under his belt. Kumble is great in the dying overs and as a proven match winner. Stick with Kumble for the time being.... __________________ Self Elected Vice-President of AAAS (Ajit Agarkar Appreciation Society) "Uniting Ajit Agarkar Fans World Wide" Always Live Life With: Intensity, Integrity and Intelligence

16-10-2003, 03:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
lord_of_darkness Cricket Web XI Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland , New Zealand Posts: 13,252	Yep Mishra is certainly the future.. Kumble seems to be nearing his end but is holding on to thin rope __________________ Don L-o-d , Legion Of Doom Lords Lounge, Off Topic, The Happening Place in CW and OT. Co Chairman CWBCC - Cricketweb XI - CW Green \| Manager of Hampshire CC - Wccc \| Chairman of the Muralitharan Supporters Club ~MSC~ \| Current Stats: 2* - 17-4-35-3 - Season Ends.. Current Record Batting - RHB: M:48 Inns:43 Runs:457 H/S:33* Ave:15.5 N.O:10 Bowling - Off Spin: O:280 M:40 Runs:975 Wickets:104 Ave:9.3 S.R:15.6

16-10-2003, 03:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
esgallindeion U19 12th Man Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: India Posts: 205	yeah, Kumble is nearing the end of his career as a cricketer. __________________ "D'oh!"

17-10-2003, 04:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Those figures suggest to me that Singh is the better option. Interesting how those 2 have those averages outside India and aren't really criticised, yet Giles has a similar average to that and is... __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

16-10-2003, 10:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
lord_of_darkness Cricket Web XI Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland , New Zealand Posts: 13,252	i thought he did better touring because he doesnt rely on spin that much.. as most of his balls are fast and skid through the wicket.. so even minimal spin of the surface helps him and he can manage!

16-10-2003, 11:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
iamdavid International Debutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 2,111	Mishra wasnt awfully impressive on the India A tour of England , Duhram didnt seem to have any undue trouble playing him , he is a great feildsman though & I think he would be more threatening in Australian conditions than Kumble , however as you guys point out reputation will likely keep Kumble in the team for a little while longer.

17-10-2003, 12:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
lord_of_darkness Cricket Web XI Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland , New Zealand Posts: 13,252	Yep no arguing there... they wont let mishra off the leash yet..they will still feel kumble can be of use because of his vast experience...

17-10-2003, 11:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Richard Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 2005 Posts: 80,407	On Mishra - he has a good First-Class record, but he had a disappointing time when the "A" team called over here. Personally I'd recommend wait and see, give him another "A" tour before picking him ahead of a performer who has been proven class for a long time. This New Zealand series has demonstrated something I have thought for a while - why on Earth is Harbhajan Singh rated higher than Kumble? He somehow managed to get decent figures in New Zealand, in the most un-spin-friendly conditions you could wish to see, and in West Indies and England he often managed to improve his figures by picking up wickets in the second-half of the innings, having been ineffectual against decent batsmen. Like Saqlain, Harbhajan is a decent bowler on big-turning wickets anytime, and bowling at tail-enders on any pitch, but put him against competant top-order batting on a decent wicket and he'll not trouble.

17-10-2003, 02:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
Anil Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tattooine Posts: 9,646	Player Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Kumble(home) 40 2130.1 5013 232 10/74 14/149 21.60 2.35 55.0 16 4 Kumble(away) 37 1909 4908 123 6/53 8/113 39.90 2.57 93.1 4 0 Harb(home) 17 852.1 2091 94 8/84 15/217 22.24 2.45 54.3 9 2 Harb(away) 17 672.4 1890 54 5/115 8/180 35.00 2.80 74.7 2 0 Not much of a difference between the two to say one is superior to the other....

17-10-2003, 05:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
lord_of_darkness Cricket Web XI Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland , New Zealand Posts: 13,252	lol giles isint really that great..

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