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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Although I agree on the general point that Dhoni is a reasonable defensive captain, having a boundary rider to a spinner isn't a defensive move as such. It's a move which attempts to eliminate a player's 'go to' shot, and makes them think of other areas to score where they may not be so strong in.
    Indeed, but he had 3-4 boundary riders on the on side before Sammy had scored a run.

    Considering the match situation it was bewildering to see the field scatter for a batsmen who averages under 20 and hasn't scored a test half century yet just because in a one off instance he cleared the boundary rope a couple times
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Although I agree on the general point that Dhoni is a reasonable defensive captain, having a boundary rider to a spinner isn't a defensive move as such. It's a move which attempts to eliminate a player's 'go to' shot, and makes them think of other areas to score where they may not be so strong in.
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    IIRC Vaughan did it against Gilchrist a few times; immediately put a deep point in to eliminate his go-to shot. He got crucified for defensive captaincy and setting fields for bad bowling at the time, but it was a pretty sound tactical move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    Indeed, but he had 3-4 boundary riders on the on side before Sammy had scored a run.

    Considering the match situation it was bewildering to see the field scatter for a batsmen who averages under 20 and hasn't scored a test half century yet just because in a one off instance he cleared the boundary rope a couple times
    Having a few boundary fielders to batsmen like Sammy or Afridi is often the most aggressive move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    having a few boundary fielders to batsmen like sammy or afridi is often the most aggressive move.
    i dont neccessarily think it is. He really doesn't score in that region too often aside from a one off innings. The easiest way to get sammy out against a spinner is to pack fielders in close, hoping for a pop up catch. Putting fielders immediately on the boundary lifted the pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    i dont neccessarily think it is. He really doesn't score in that region too often aside from a one off innings. The easiest way to get sammy out against a spinner is to pack fielders in close, hoping for a pop up catch. Putting fielders immediately on the boundary lifted the pressure.
    From the little I've seen of batsman Sammy, he looks like a poor man's Afridi to me, who often looks to play aerial shots in the legside and isn't too comfortable playing the rotating game. Placing some boundary fielders, if anything, only adds pressure to these kind of batsmen (unlike a Sachin or a Dravid or a Kallis - or even a Jayasuriya or Gilchrist or Sehwag).
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    Quote Originally Posted by weldone View Post
    from the little i've seen of batsman sammy, he looks like a poor man's afridi to me, who often looks to play aerial shots in the legside and isn't too comfortable playing the rotating game. Placing some boundary fielders, if anything, only adds pressure to these kind of batsmen (unlike a sachin or a dravid or a kallis - or even a jayasuriya or gilchrist or sehwag).
    i still don't think it's the best method to dismiss him when you have a long off deep backward square leg and deep mid wicket straight away

    Regardless of what tactics either of us think are right, i still think dhoni is guilty of ball following far too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    Regardless of what tactics either of us think are right, i still think dhoni is guilty of ball following far too often.
    Yeah, regarding field placements Dhoni is a reactive captain rather than proactive. But again, in that case, being wrongly proactive is always worse than being rightly reactive.

    In stock market jargons, it's like the difference between bad fundamental research and good technical research. Of course good fundamental research is better than both IMO.

    Similarly, being rightly proactive in field placements (anticipating a situation correctly beforehand, and changing the placements accordingly) is the best way to go. But I've seen very few captains achieving that consistently (Steve Waugh and probably Wasim Akram). And when anticipations go wrong, proactive field placements can hurt very badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GotSpin View Post
    I didn't criticise his decision to secure the draw and the series win, but he's a pretty defensive captain sometimes. I'm always shocked when a relatively new batsmen hits a 4 and Dhoni immediately places a boundary rider there or a long on.

    When Sammy came into bat in one of his brief innings he was greeted with three boundary riders facing Bhaji because he'd smacked a couple sixes the previous match.
    That post wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular, mate. Just a general post. I don;t disagree that Dhoni is a little too defensive at times FTR.

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