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    Ranking System - Batsman with over 5000 Test Runs

    With a bit of spare time recently I have come up with my own Test batsman ranking system.

    The criteria I have set is a minimum of 5000 runs. I have made a list of retired players and a separate list for the current players.

    For the record, I consider anyone who has had a longish career who scores above 0.000 to be a very good Test batsman.

    Enjoy/rubbish the list.

    Code:
    Don Bradman 5.813
    Wally Hammond 2.860
    Jack Hobbs 2.824
    Ken Barrington 2.105
    Len Hutton 1.814
    Javed Miandad 1.802
    Greg Chappell 1.648
    Garry Sobers 1.574
    Sunil Gavaskar 1.550
    Rohan Kanhai 1.500
    Matthew Hayden 1.445
    Neil Harvey 1.420
    Viv Richards 1.398
    Brian Lara 1.390
    Clive Lloyd 1.311
    Dennis Compton 1.152
    Mohammad Azharuddin 1.098
    Doug Walters 1.082
    Bill Lawry 1.011
    Allan Border 0.952
    Justin Langer 0.883
    Richie Richardson 0.857
    Inzamam ul Haq 0.838
    David Gower 0.769
    Geoff Boycott 0.743
    Mark Taylor 0.638
    Steve Waugh 0.613
    Gordon Greenidge 0.535
    Colin Cowdrey 0.473
    Marcus Trescothick 0.463
    Martin Crowe 0.455
    Aravinda de Silva 0.450
    Gary Kirsten 0.448
    John Edrich 0.400
    Michael Slater 0.345
    Michael Vaughan 0.306
    Andrew Strauss 0.277
    Desmond Haynes 0.254
    Adam Gilchrist 0.232
    Gundappa Viswanth 0.216
    Saleem Malik 0.196
    Graham Thorpe 0.189
    Ian Chappell 0.168
    David Boon 0.135
    Graham Gooch 0.065
    Mark Waugh 0.011
    Herschelle Gibbs -0.019
    Zaheer Abbas -0.022
    Sourav Ganguly -0.033
    Dilip Vengsarkar -0.111
    Stephen Fleming -0.326
    Nasser Hussain -0.391
    Sanath Jayasuriya -0.403
    John Wright -0.426
    Alec Stewart -0.447
    Michael Atherton -0.554
    Carl Hooper -0.655
    Arjuna Ranatunga -0.765
    Marvan Atapattu -0.815
    Ian Botham -0.885
    Kapil Dev 1.691

    Current Players
    Kumar Sangakarra 2.448
    Jacques Kallis 1.921
    Alastair Cook 1.860
    Ricky Ponting 1.770
    Virender Sehwag 1.635
    Sachin Tendulkar 1.536
    Rahul Dravid 1.519
    Mahela Jayawardene 1.504
    Mohammad Yousuf 1.475
    Graeme Smith 1.434
    Kevin Pietersen 1.186
    Younis Khan 0.605
    Shivnarine Chanderpaul 0.568
    VVS Laxman 0.532
    Ramnaresh Sarwan 0.000
    Chris Gayle -0.018
    Mark Boucher -1.587
    For Dravid, Chanderpaul, Laxman and Sarwan who are currently in the middle of a Test, I have not included this Test at all.

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    Interesting analysis. Any details on the methodology?
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    Negative indices for some players!

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    Sangakkara seems to be rated far too high.

    I mean yes he's a good batsman, but considerably better than Sobers and Lara, and better than Hutton? I, personally, don't think so.


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    I don't think it should be suggested for a moment that this is precisely indicative of a player's quality/greatness, so I think we should leave that aside from the outset.

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    Kumar Sangakarra 2.448
    I for one, approve of this system.
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    What's the methodology? I'm trying to think of what it could be which would make it so that if Sangakarra and Cook retired, they'd be the 4th and the 8th best batsmen of all time...do you weigh the tally of runs per season very high instead of an average?


    Though I must say, I can definitely see Alastair Cook breaking SRT's record of most runs some day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Interesting analysis. Any details on the methodology?
    The figures are based on their full careers. Low scores are punished (excluding not outs) and high scorers are rewarded. Middle of the road scores mean nothing in this exercise.

    High scoring not outs are definitely included, but are not as significant as they are for when you work out a batsman's average.

    A bit vague I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I don't think it should be suggested for a moment that this is precisely indicative of a player's quality/greatness, so I think we should leave that aside from the outset.
    Ya it's fun for the sake of it. I remember doing one for spinners which had Stuart Clark as the second best spinner of all time or something.

    Actually I made like six or seven of these statistical threads back then. Ah to be bored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    The figures are based on their full careers. Low scores are punished (excluding not outs) and high scorers are rewarded. Middle of the road scores mean nothing in this exercise.

    High scoring not outs are definitely included, but are not as significant as they are for when you work out a batsman's average.

    A bit vague I know
    What is a middle of the road score? 50-99?

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    Would I be correct in saying then that it's weighted towards players who convert? That definitely explains Cook and Ponting's rating at a minimum. Reckon Ponting at his peak would be insanely high if so.

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    Rewarding big scores would definitely help Cook, but I'd have thought on that criteria Lara would be among the very top.
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    I might be in the minority on this, but I still think Gilchrist > Sanga purely as a Test batsman, though I expect Sanga to keep up his form for a couple more years and change that. Would be interesting to see how many people agree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Negative indices for some players!
    Haha yep. That's why I wrote that I consider 0.000 to be a very good Test batsman. I think -0.001 to -0.499 are still good test batsman.

    Quote Originally Posted by weeman27bob View Post
    Sangakkara seems to be rated far too high.

    I mean yes he's a good batsman, but considerably better than Sobers and Lara, and better than Hutton? I, personally, don't think so.
    Yeah, I know that's why I made two separate lists. Sangakkara and Cook both have good conversion rates and fail less often than most cricketers. Oops just realized that I didn't move Strauss to the current list..

    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    I for one, approve of this system.
    Haha good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush View Post
    What is a middle of the road score? 50-99?
    Nah less. Scores of 50-99 often impact matches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Would I be correct in saying then that it's weighted towards players who convert? That definitely explains Cook and Ponting's rating at a minimum. Reckon Ponting at his peak would be insanely high if so.
    What do you mean by 'rating at a minimum'. Yeah Ponting would have dipped a little recently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Rewarding big scores would definitely help Cook, but I'd have thought on that criteria Lara would be among the very top.
    Lara could have been higher if I used a different point system for massive scores. Lara failed fairly often throughout his career, 62 single figure scores which didn't help him. But still anyone over 1.000 is an awesome batsman.

    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    I might be in the minority on this, but I still think Gilchrist > Sanga purely as a Test batsman, though I expect Sanga to keep up his form for a couple more years and change that. Would be interesting to see how many people agree with me.
    They are completely different cricketers. I loved Gilly, but I am not too surprised that he's not ended up that high on this analysis as strike rate isn't a factor and he had quite a long weak period towards the end of his career.

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