Aceptable econmy rates in ODIS - Page 3

Richard · 11-10-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by marc71178
5 an over is in a lot of cases well below the average scoring rates in one day cricket. To go for 5 an over is not bad, and can be acceptable in any score over 250 from 50 overs.

Only 0.1? that seems a very tight thing, and your suggesting if someone bowls 5 of the last 10 overs, they should only concede an extra half run than they did in the first 5 they bowled!

I think you should AT LEAST 1 an over on.

Too much thought about individual games. A decent bowling-attack should be disappointed to concede 250 (on any pitch) anyway, but just to have the mentality "250 is a decent score - less than 5-an-over is good" is misreading. Any bowler with a career economy-rate of 5-an-over is very, very poor indeed.
When I talk about 0.1-an-over and 0.2-an-over I mean in a career, and in a career that's a lot. The difference between 4.3-an-over and 4.4-an-over after 100 ODIs is massive.

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 12:59 PM

Hey! Richard what do you think of Ajit Agarkar?

what the hell is going on?
in all of london/manchester i have never met more than about 5 sensible 14-20 yr olds and here bucketloads who actually know what they are talking about...
ofcourse then there is marc who is 24 and a little crazy and childish

Richard · 11-10-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
Hey! Richard what do you think of Ajit Agarkar?

what the hell is going on?
in all of london/manchester i have never met more than about 5 sensible 14-20 yr olds and here bucketloads who actually know what they are talking about...
ofcourse then there is marc who is 24 and a little crazy and childish

Actually I thought Agarkar was a good bowler for a long while, I kept thinking "he can get that economy-rate down, he can" but I kept being confounded. I have more or less given-up hope on him.

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 01:14 PM

well, you may as well know, so did i

but every since i found out AAAS[agit agarkar appreiation socety]
my hopes in him have fallen dismally, they [aaas] think he is a great allrounder like Kapil Dev..So i laughed Anti-AAAS, nothing against agarkar himslef just the tits who stalk him...

Neil Pickup · 11-10-2003, 01:36 PM

You misinterpret the AAAS, Jay :P

Regarding economies of 5 an over - look at the India v WI one-day series. Keeping it down to 5 an over would have been a wonderful achievement there.

Look at Balaji's figures..

marc71178 · 11-10-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Richard
Too much thought about individual games. A decent bowling-attack should be disappointed to concede 250 (on any pitch) anyway, but just to have the mentality "250 is a decent score - less than 5-an-over is good" is misreading.

How many sides concede 250 in an ODI? Most. Therefore 5 is not as bad as you make out.

Quote:

Originally posted by Richard
When I talk about 0.1-an-over and 0.2-an-over I mean in a career, and in a career that's a lot. The difference between 4.3-an-over and 4.4-an-over after 100 ODIs is massive.

IF someone bowls 10 overs a game, the difference over a career is still only 100 runs in 100 ODI's.

That is nothing.

A misfield gives the extra 0.1.

marc71178 · 11-10-2003, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
they [aaas] think he is a great allrounder like Kapil Dev.

If you bothered to follow the history of the AAAS, you'd realise what it's all about.

We do not think he's a great player at all!

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 02:18 PM

i know what its about and it aint far cos hes not THAT bad but youre just maing a mockery of his name

marc71178 · 11-10-2003, 04:54 PM

I fail to see how our praising of him is making a mockery?

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 05:02 PM

you know very well how!

*sighs* kids these days...

marc71178 · 11-10-2003, 05:05 PM

If you were around 18 months ago, you'd know where we are coming from.

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 05:11 PM

too bad, eh...

But what i dont get, is that its still carrying on arent you bored yet?

Mr Mxyzptlk · 11-10-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by gibbsnsmith
too bad, eh...

But what i dont get, is that its still carrying on arent you bored yet?

Marc doesn't get bored easily. He's a Giles fan.

gibbsnsmith · 11-10-2003, 06:02 PM

still!

Richard · 12-10-2003, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marc71178
How many sides concede 250 in an ODI? Most. Therefore 5 is not as bad as you make out.

IF someone bowls 10 overs a game, the difference over a career is still only 100 runs in 100 ODI's.

That is nothing.

A misfield gives the extra 0.1.

Recently there have been far too many 250s, and more. The standard of bowling in one-day-international-cricket has denegrated in the last 4 years.
For a good bowler, 100 runs is a massive amount. A good bowler should be aiming for 40 or less from 10 overs.
Perhaps one of the reasons totals have increased is bowlers have been encouraged to settle for mediocrity.

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11-10-2003, 01:14 PM	#34 (permalink)
gibbsnsmith State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London/Kent Border Posts: 1,205	well, you may as well know, so did i but every since i found out AAAS[agit agarkar appreiation socety] my hopes in him have fallen dismally, they [aaas] think he is a great allrounder like Kapil Dev..So i laughed Anti-AAAS, nothing against agarkar himslef just the tits who stalk him...

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gibbsnsmith State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London/Kent Border Posts: 1,205	i know what its about and it aint far cos hes not THAT bad but youre just maing a mockery of his name

11-10-2003, 04:54 PM	#39 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	I fail to see how our praising of him is making a mockery?

11-10-2003, 05:02 PM	#40 (permalink)
gibbsnsmith State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London/Kent Border Posts: 1,205	you know very well how! sighs kids these days...

11-10-2003, 05:05 PM	#41 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,336	If you were around 18 months ago, you'd know where we are coming from.

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gibbsnsmith State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London/Kent Border Posts: 1,205	too bad, eh... But what i dont get, is that its still carrying on arent you bored yet?

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gibbsnsmith State Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: London/Kent Border Posts: 1,205	still!

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