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Is Tendulkar's career now "complete"?

Bun

Bun

Banned
Spark said:
but I find it equally laughable that one can just chop off three-four years at the beginning of a career and expect the career evolution to be identical.
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Not anymore laughable than the premise of cutting off the first few years of a player's career and comparing with others.. or making definitive statements that he'd not have debuted early had he been another national.
 
GotSpin

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Bun said:
Not anymore laughable than the premise of cutting off the first few years of a player's career and comparing with others.. or making definitive statements that he'd not have debuted early had he been another national.
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Because one of our best players ever didn't debut at the age of 16.
 
Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Sanz said:
Not everything is measured in Stats
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It is all about stats in this discussion. We are talking about the number of 100s he scored. Not how good he looked for the future when making 30s.

Sanz said:
Tendulkar is not Norm. He was an exception. It doesn't matter how you try to discuss.
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Even some exceptions take time. Warne - who is a far rarer creature than Tendulkar - took a year before he even looked like he should be at Test level. It took Sobers 4 years to score his first Test century. It took Tendulkar almost 5 years/78 matches to score his first ODI hundred. It took him 4 years to get his average above 50.
 
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Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Going to try and rescue the hijacking of this thread.

Sachin has come out and said he's not thinking about retirement. But it hasn't been clear whether he's only talking about tests or he means both tests and ODIs.

If he doesn't retire now from ODIs, does this basically mean he's going to play ODIs until he chooses to retire overall?
 
Cevno

Cevno

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Spark said:
How is it irrelevant? I'm just saying that no matter how good a player you are, no matter good a player Ponting was at that age more to the point, he would not have debuted. The system here simply would not let him.



Well I'm sorry you feel that way but I find it equally laughable that one can just chop off three-four years at the beginning of a career and expect the career evolution to be identical.
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Even more laughable is the fact that you can say definatively starting at 16/17 only helps the younger players acclimatise to international career and not affect them in a negative way like it did with Irfan pathan ,Piush Chawla,Parthiv Patel,Laxman Sivaramakrishnan ,even Shahid Afridi.

And that is failing to mention how it affects their ability to still be at the top at the age of 38 with 22 years of physical and mental pressure before even your games fully developed.
 
Bun

Bun

Banned
Jono said:
Going to try and rescue the hijacking of this thread.

Sachin has come out and said he's not thinking about retirement. But it hasn't been clear whether he's only talking about tests or he means both tests and ODIs.

If he doesn't retire now from ODIs, does this basically mean he's going to play ODIs until he chooses to retire overall?
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Which is brilliant. He knows when best to retire.
 
blahblahblah

blahblahblah

International 12th Man
Jono said:
Going to try and rescue the hijacking of this thread.

Sachin has come out and said he's not thinking about retirement. But it hasn't been clear whether he's only talking about tests or he means both tests and ODIs.

If he doesn't retire now from ODIs, does this basically mean he's going to play ODIs until he chooses to retire overall?
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yes he is gonna play both , but it will be more of a pick and play kind of

so he will choose wat to play and wat not , like lets say there is a fair chance he might not play the odis against windies
 
GotSpin

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Cevno said:
Even more laughable is the fact that you can say definatively starting at 16/17 only helps the younger players acclimatise to international career and not affect them in a negative way like it did with Irfan pathan ,Piush Chawla,Parthiv Patel,Laxman Sivaramakrishnan ,even Shahid Afridi.

And that is failing to mention how it affects their ability to still be at the top at the age of 38 with 22 years of physical and mental pressure before even your games fully developed.
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Hard to take your post seriously when you mention Shahid Afridi
 
Ikki

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Cevno said:
Even more laughable is the fact that you can say definatively starting at 16/17 only helps the younger players acclimatise to international career and not affect them in a negative way like it did with Irfan pathan ,Piush Chawla,Parthiv Patel,Laxman Sivaramakrishnan ,even Shahid Afridi.

And that is failing to mention how it affects their ability to still be at the top at the age of 38 with 22 years of physical and mental pressure before even your games fully developed.
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I don't understand your point. So what if one said that you either are greatly helped or greatly undermined? One or the other? How does that help your argument? If they do cope and get through it, they are advantaged in many ways. It's going through a tough initial period to have it better the rest of your career.
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Ikki said:
Wasim, Waqar and Imran were only a year older than Sobers. Who are you kidding? No one I named was 19. Near 19, like Sobers is near 18 and Tendulkar near 17?

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Don't really want to turn this into a debate on Harbhajan ,and the rest of the post is irrelevant.

But this part kind of proves that no other player who debuted as a near 18 year old or less has been as succesful as Tendulkar in history of the game.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Guys, honestly go away and post about this in the Tendulkar vs. Bradman thread ("Why do they say this?") or Tendulkar vs. Ponting thread.

I'm genuinely interested in what some people think about Tendulkar's decision to stay on in ODIs (which seems likely what he's chosen to do).
 
Bun

Bun

Banned
Sanz said:
That had nothing to do with no. of years or his experience/maturity as batsman, Indian Captains were managing his talent poorly, the day they moved him into opener slot he became a totally different batsman.

This is the match that transformed Tendulkar's career as ODI batsman

2nd ODI: New Zealand v India at Auckland, Mar 27, 1994 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
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Or more precisely he was getting wasted at no.4 or 5 or 6 when guys like Ravi Shastri were gobbling up 100s of deliveries stroking at 50 SR.
 
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