High Impact - Assessing the Great Batting Performances

chasingthedon · 29-03-2011, 01:09 PM

Cricket Web - Features: High Impact - Assessing the Great Batting Performances

In this feature, Dave takes a look at the best of those innings which spearheaded a successful run chase.

Ikki · 29-03-2011, 01:35 PM

Great stuff, thanks. A notable player not in there is Tendulkar. What is the highest one of his knocks came?

Also, I wonder if there is a way of doing this for bowlers - their contribution with regards to the difficulty of their team winning.

chasingthedon · 29-03-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ikki

Great stuff, thanks. A notable player not in there is Tendulkar. What is the highest one of his knocks came?

Also, I wonder if there is a way of doing this for bowlers - their contribution with regards to the difficulty of their team winning.

Thanks Ikki. Tendulkar's highest rated innings by this measure was his 103*. I'm already working on the bowlers equivalent, should be up in a week or so.

robelinda · 29-03-2011, 01:57 PM

No Sachin again- its the Wisden top 100 all over again!!!!!

smalishah84 · 29-03-2011, 07:13 PM

wow......great work.......didn't see it in detail in terms of methodology but a pleasant surprise to see Shakib Al Hasan up there in the top 10

fredfertang · 30-03-2011, 11:01 AM

Fascinating stuff Dave - top 5 probably just about right I suppose - will always have Butcher's as a personal favourite but I suppose that goes with the territory!

Interesting about the 30's - I blame Bradman - killed off most Tests with his first visit to the crease

vcs · 30-03-2011, 11:50 AM

Posted by J_C in the comments section..

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Good analysis. Interestingly Yuvraj makes the list for his 85* even though Sehwag (87) and Tendulkar (103*) don't make the cut. Hmmm....

chasingthedon · 30-03-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vcs

Posted by J_C in the comments section..

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Good analysis. Interestingly Yuvraj makes the list for his 85* even though Sehwag (87) and Tendulkar (103*) don't make the cut. Hmmm....

It's all to do with the win probability at the time each batsman came in compared to when he was out or when the game was won - at 163 still to get with six wickets left, India still only had about a one in eight win probability, so Yuvraj gets a higher share than Tendulkar, who came in at 246 to get with eight wickets remaining (about 32.2% share for Tendy). Sehwag's 83 only improved the win probability by about 20% and Sehwag gets around 14% of that.

chasingthedon · 30-03-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by robelinda

No Sachin again- its the Wisden top 100 all over again!!!!!

Sachin's omission from the Wisden list is of far greater significance in my opinion - my analysis looks only at individual innings in successful fourth-innings run chases, whereas the Wisden list considered ALL innings.

chasingthedon · 30-03-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fredfertang

Fascinating stuff Dave - top 5 probably just about right I suppose - will always have Butcher's as a personal favourite but I suppose that goes with the territory!

Interesting about the 30's - I blame Bradman - killed off most Tests with his first visit to the crease

Which is of course why he doesn't figure much in this analysis - his Aussie teams didn't figure in many run chases.

vcs · 30-03-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chasingthedon

It's all to do with the win probability at the time each batsman came in compared to when he was out or when the game was won - at 163 still to get with six wickets left, India still only had about a one in eight win probability, so Yuvraj gets a higher share than Tendulkar, who came in at 246 to get with eight wickets remaining (about 32.2% share for Tendy). Sehwag's 83 only improved the win probability by about 20% and Sehwag gets around 14% of that.

OK.. thanks for explaining your methodology.

abmk · 30-03-2011, 10:23 PM

pretty flawed to say the least ... there's no way that yuvraj's 85 was in any way close to sehwag's or sachin's knocks , let alone better than both of them ....

where's Mark waugh's 116(?) vs SA btw ?

hang on · 31-03-2011, 12:58 AM

the singh innings of 80 odd that ranks ahead of the 103 of tendulkar's (in the same innings) surely gives the lie to this analysis.

marc71178 · 31-03-2011, 01:09 AM

Or maybe it actually shows that the SRT innings was over-rated as even with it, they were still behind the game and needed another innings to get them there?

abmk · 31-03-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

Or maybe it actually shows that the SRT innings was over-rated as even with it, they were still behind the game and needed another innings to get them there?

huh ? use some logic will you ? so sehwag's innings was also over-rated as even with it 2 other 50s and a hundred was required ?

its insane in how many places people just can't use plain common sense ; common sense is not so common after all !

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fredfertang Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: high dudgeon Posts: 9,714	Fascinating stuff Dave - top 5 probably just about right I suppose - will always have Butcher's as a personal favourite but I suppose that goes with the territory! Interesting about the 30's - I blame Bradman - killed off most Tests with his first visit to the crease

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abmk State 12th Man Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: India Posts: 704	pretty flawed to say the least ... there's no way that yuvraj's 85 was in any way close to sehwag's or sachin's knocks , let alone better than both of them .... where's Mark waugh's 116(?) vs SA btw ?

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