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    Other than for Taylor, Mark Waugh, Jones, Azhar, Harris and few precious others in early 90s who fielded well. unlike Waugh, Taylor and Azhar, Jayasuriya fielded in every position, from short legs to deep mid ons, and was brilliant in the field. There is very little footage of what he did is left, and with Mahanama, he was the first to revive SL fielding in early 90s. He's definietly one of the best in his generation. Later generation may have produced more quality fielders, like Ponting and Symonds, but Mahanama and Jaya were electric in their eras.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burgey View Post
    ah sorry.

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    i've left out the sl guys, as for the most part we didn't see a lot of them before 96. In fact, i don't think we saw much of them at all tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I really really REALLY do not think Ponting took catches that NO ONE else could.. EVER. I have only thought that way about one fielder, esp. in tests, Mark Waugh..
    Meant "other" as in "most", not "all". Because, yes, there are people like Mark Waugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abmk View Post
    better at hitting the stumps ? no one is/was better than punter at that, not even jonty

    ponting's fielding does not compensate for jaya's bowling, no doubt, that's why I chose jaya over ponting overall as a cricketer. But IMO, as good as sanath was , ponting was clearly the better fielder. Sanath was very good, but punter was/is an ATG fielder



    Still we've seen him on the field many times, considering he played 400+ matches. Its not that sanath didn't get chances to showcase his catching skills
    Try AB.. Or Raina who hits them more often than Ponting by my calculation. Also Steve Waugh used to hit the stumps often in his younger days.. Just because others don't get the attention, doesn't mean they do not hit the stumps... And it is not like he hits them everytime..


    And the other thing about people not running JUST because the ball goes near Ponting.. jeez.. Finnd me one player who would say that and you would have a point.. He was/is not Jonty..


    And unless you tell me you have seen ALL his matches and do not remember catches, it doesn't mean a thing.. I watched a LOT of SL cricket (timezones being similar and all) and I remember him pulling off quite a few good ones and a coupe of stunners.. Moreover, a number of times he would stop twos being taken because he was THAT quick across the turf...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    lmao.
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    I thought you just agreed in your next-to-last post that several of the blokes I mentioned were good in their positions? I'm getting confused here now mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    Try AB.. Or Raina who hits them more often than Ponting by my calculation. Also Steve Waugh used to hit the stumps often in his younger days.. Just because others don't get the attention, doesn't mean they do not hit the stumps... And it is not like he hits them everytime..


    And the other thing about people not running JUST because the ball goes near Ponting.. jeez.. Finnd me one player who would say that and you would have a point.. He was/is not Jonty..
    jonty was clearly the better one at saving runs, but as far as direct hits are concerned, ponting was/is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    And unless you tell me you have seen ALL his matches and do not remember catches, it doesn't mean a thing.. I watched a LOT of SL cricket (timezones being similar and all) and I remember him pulling off quite a few good ones and a coupe of stunners.. Moreover, a number of times he would stop twos being taken because he was THAT quick across the turf...
    even I've watched quite a bit of sanath, he was very good, but not at ponting's level

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    Quote Originally Posted by prince ews View Post
    god there's some (imo) absolutely dross from both sides of the debate in this thread. There's absolutely no doubt that ponting was a significantly better odi fielder than jayasuriya imo, and that's in no way suggesting that jayasuriya was a poor odi fielder. However, there's equally little doubt that jayasuriya's bowling added significantly more value to the team than the difference between the fielding of the two. I also think i saw a couple of people suggest jayasuriya was as good as ponting on batting alone, which also bewilders me.

    Personally, i'd go with ponting. I've always felt jayasuriya's odi batting to be a bit over-rated - a league or two behind ponting in this area imo. I can see why people disagree here though, and it's not ridiculous to vote for jayasuriya if you do given the added benefit of his bowling. Some of the reasoning in this thread either way is horrendous though.
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    I reckon people are underestimating just how good a fielder Ponting was and is atm, While Azhar and Jr. might have been slightly better catchers, I don't think there is a case for them to be as good an overall fielder as Ponting. It's pretty incredible just how many direct hits Ponting has effected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    I reckon people are underestimating just how good a fielder Ponting was and is atm, While Azhar and Jr. might have been slightly better catchers, I don't think there is a case for them to be as good an overall fielder as Ponting. It's pretty incredible just how many direct hits Ponting has effected.

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    Yeah, Mark Waugh was the better Test fielder IMO; Ponting was comfortably the better ODI fielder though. I don't think I've seen people distinguish between formats for fielding on CricketWeb before (other than me) but I really do think it's warranted as the value of different things is so different in each format. In Test cricket, it's 95% about catching for me - If you drop a catch it's a massive, massive let off, and players who don't do that, particularly those who field in slips, and invaluable. Saving a couple of runs has a very negligible impact in Tests and run-outs are far rarer, so anything beyond catching is really just a bonus. In ODIs, saving runs builds a lot more pressure and is intrinsically more valuable with the limited overs; not to mention the fact that batsmen take more risks with their running so run outs are always on if you can do something special. I'd put ground fielding up to 40 or even 50% in weighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I really really REALLY do not think Ponting took catches that NO ONE else could.. EVER. I have only thought that way about one fielder, esp. in tests, Mark Waugh..
    jonty ?

    I would rephrase no one else could to very very few could

    regarding ponting, how about a freak catch like this ?

    YouTube - Ricky Ponting's Amazing Catch of Sachin Tendulkar

    how about these ?

    YouTube - Ricky Ponting Catch

    YouTube - Ponting catch

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    I don't see the fuss here.. Jayasuriya was a good to very good fielder in his career.. Ponting is a "great" fielder.. But I do not think the difference between them as fielders comes anywhere near neturalizing what Jayasuriya's bowling offers to a team. But I still rate Ponting as an all timer among ODI batsmen and therefore, would pick him before Jayasuriya in my AT XI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abmk View Post
    jonty ?

    I would rephrase no one else could to very very few could

    regarding ponting, how about a freak catch like this ?

    YouTube - Ricky Ponting's Amazing Catch of Sachin Tendulkar

    how about these ?

    YouTube - Ricky Ponting Catch

    YouTube - Ponting catch
    Again, I think those sort of catches can be taken by some of the very best fielders in the world.. Not like Ponting is the only one who could.. Simple, really.. Ponting is a great fielder but not the best in ODIs for me... Jayasuriya is not at Ponting's level as a fielder but he is not that much below him that it offsets the value his bowling gives him over Ponting...



    If you guys were arguing that Ponting was SO good as an ODI batsman that he should make it ahead of Jayasuriya, perhaps there might be a point. We all know he is a great fielder but it is not like he was the Bradman among fielders.. I would say he is the Marshall among fielders, as in among the best but not undisputed best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    I don't see the fuss here.. Jayasuriya was a good to very good fielder in his career.. Ponting is a "great" fielder.. But I do not think the difference between them as fielders comes anywhere near neturalizing what Jayasuriya's bowling offers to a team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Yeah, Mark Waugh was the better Test fielder IMO; Ponting was comfortably the better ODI fielder though. I don't think I've seen people distinguish between formats for fielding on CricketWeb before (other than me) but I really do think it's warranted as the value of different things is so different in each format. In Test cricket, it's 95% about catching for me - If you drop a catch it's a massive, massive let off, and players who don't do that, particularly those who field in slips, and invaluable - saving a couple of runs has a very negligible impact in Tests are run-outs are far rarer, so anything beyond catching is really a bonus. In ODIs, saving runs builds a lot more pressure and is intrinsically more valuable with the limited overs; not to mention the fact that batsmen take more risks with their running so run outs are always on if you can do something special. I'd put ground fielding up to 40 or even 50% in weighting.
    Yeah indeed. You'll see at least two or three genuine run out opportunities in every one day match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani View Post
    Again, I think those sort of catches can be taken by some of the very best fielders in the world.. Not like Ponting is the only one who could.. Simple, really.. Ponting is a great fielder but not the best in ODIs for me... Jayasuriya is not at Ponting's level as a fielder but he is not that much below him that it offsets the value his bowling gives him over Ponting...



    If you guys were arguing that Ponting was SO good as an ODI batsman that he should make it ahead of Jayasuriya, perhaps there might be a point. We all know he is a great fielder but it is not like he was the Bradman among fielders.. I would say he is the Marshall among fielders, as in among the best but not undisputed best.
    agree here. The only part where I disagreed with was the direct hits part.

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