Alistair Cook is more talented than Kevin Pietersen : James Anderson - Page 2

vcs · 07-01-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Howe_zat

As I said in the Colly tribute thread, don't confuse "talent" with "style". Succeeding despite having relatively poor strokeplay is a talent.

Isn't that the mental strength and application that he alludes to? Working around your limitations is certainly an attribute that any batsman, hell, any successful sportsman needs to get to the top. Some just have fewer limitations than others.

vcs · 07-01-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Cook was basically Anderson's batting coach for quite a while (I think they called him a batting "buddy"), so there's probably some playful ribbing there.

Wonder what KP thinks of it though...

Xuhaib · 08-01-2011, 01:20 AM

Cook is a very good player who had a series where he overachieved and no KP is light years ahead in terns of natural talent Cook disciplined was outstanding this series.

Prince EWS · 08-01-2011, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vcs

Wonder what KP thinks of it though...

The point I was making was that KP probably doesn't take it seriously at all, because Jimmy probably spruiks Cook light-heartedly all the time amongst the batting group.

BoyBrumby · 08-01-2011, 02:27 AM

Agree with PEWS here. Cook, as is obvious to even casual observers, doesn't have KP's range of shot, barely hits a ball down the ground for instance.

What he has in spades is discipline and determination. Now he's totally sure where his off stump is he's also (mostly) ignored the balls slanted across him he used to consistently nick behind. Ironically his dismissal at the SCG was "Cook's outs 101", but as he's made 189 at the time one's minded to look past it.

KP's only rival in our XI for the "natural batting ability" stakes is Bell IMHO.

PhoenixFire · 08-01-2011, 02:59 AM

For me 'talent' incorporates a lot of stuff, including temperament and concentration. Obviously Cook has those qualities in excess where Pietersen doesn't.

Burgey · 08-01-2011, 04:07 AM

Pietersen won't wear this, being the egotistical soul he is. This will split England in two, divide them completely.

It's all over for them now. Downhill from here.

honestbharani · 08-01-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Got_Spin

hehehe. looking after balls.

Considering all the Cook love of SS..

Jono · 08-01-2011, 10:16 AM

Even if people think discipline and temperament are just as much a talent as strokeplay, colloqiually it's not used in that way.

When someone says about a 14 year old "this kid is very talented, we should nurture him" you don't think "he doesn't get sucked into half volleys outside off stump". You think "he can pull a ball off a length better than most kids his age."

silentstriker · 08-01-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Pietersen won't wear this, being the egotistical soul he is. This will split England in two, divide them completely.

It's all over for them now. Downhill from here.

Thoughts on your favorite player getting $5 million for 14 weeks of work over two years?

Burgey · 08-01-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by silentstriker

Thoughts on your favorite player getting $5 million for 14 weeks of work over two years?

Who's that? I take it you mean the IPL? Couldn't give a sub-continental about it mate.

Jono · 08-01-2011, 06:58 PM

What a week.

Plenty of runs in South Africa.

US$2.4 mill

WAG

Burgey · 08-01-2011, 07:01 PM

Dravid got $2.4 mil? Good on him.

morgieb · 08-01-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Dravid got $2.4 mil? Good on him.

Dravid only got $500k.

Jono · 08-01-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jono

What a week.

Plenty of runs in South Africa.

US$2.4 mill

WAG

Actually change that to WAGGG

What
A
Gun
Gautam
Gambhir

08-01-2011, 02:27 AM	#20 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,646	Agree with PEWS here. Cook, as is obvious to even casual observers, doesn't have KP's range of shot, barely hits a ball down the ground for instance. What he has in spades is discipline and determination. Now he's totally sure where his off stump is he's also (mostly) ignored the balls slanted across him he used to consistently nick behind. Ironically his dismissal at the SCG was "Cook's outs 101", but as he's made 189 at the time one's minded to look past it. KP's only rival in our XI for the "natural batting ability" stakes is Bell IMHO. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

08-01-2011, 04:07 AM	#22 (permalink)
Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,154	Pietersen won't wear this, being the egotistical soul he is. This will split England in two, divide them completely. It's all over for them now. Downhill from here. __________________ WWCC - Loyaulte Mi Lie "People make me happy.. not places.. people" "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life." - Samuel Johnson "Oh my God, there's a castle! A castle!"

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Xuhaib Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Karachi Posts: 9,394	Cook is a very good player who had a series where he overachieved and no KP is light years ahead in terns of natural talent Cook disciplined was outstanding this series.

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,551	Even if people think discipline and temperament are just as much a talent as strokeplay, colloqiually it's not used in that way. When someone says about a 14 year old "this kid is very talented, we should nurture him" you don't think "he doesn't get sucked into half volleys outside off stump". You think "he can pull a ball off a length better than most kids his age."

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,551	What a week. Plenty of runs in South Africa. US$2.4 mill WAG

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