You won't know him. Can't stay in long enough for Otago.Who is Chris Nash?
DWTA. Ryder, Taylor, Williamson, Vettori and even McCullum have dug in and played long innings before.He was certainly a poor 2020 signing for Otago, based entirely on one season in England rather than a consistently shown ability at the shortened game. He may have been a better option in four-day cricket. I'm not sure he'd be in the top 6 NZ batsmen (if domestic form matters) but he would have got a shot.
Part of the problem in NZ, I feel, is that from school cricket to the first-class game no-one is prepared to play a really long innings. It's all crash bang wallop. Nash is certainly the sort of player who can bat for long periods. Only McIntosh of the current lot shows the inclination and he is too technically flawed to be consistent at test level.
Yeah, this.Would he get his chance? Probably
Would he succeed and last a decent amount of time? Nah.
I've seen you use this point before (about a thousand times in fact), but I always assumed you were taking the piss and trying to wind people up a bit, like I did with Sydney Grade cricketers with 15 wickets @ 25. Now you seem to have used it as a serious point; that's ridiculous.Watling and Guptill arguably shouldn't be near NZ either though. Nash would get his chance in an alternate universe, but when guys who average similarly or even higher than him domestically (and CC and PS are comparable going on Franklin's dominance of both competitions) fail, there's not much hope for Nash.
Slight pisstake miss is miss.I've seen you use this point before (about a thousand times in fact), but I always assumed you were taking the piss and trying to wind people up a bit, like I did with Sydney Grade cricketers with 15 wickets @ 25. Now you seem to have used it as a serious point; that's ridiculous.
I'm not saying the gap between the County Championship and the Plunket Shield is actually large (hard to make a real comparison without seeing much of either) but to use the example of one player to suggest it isn't is really flawed. Some players perform better with different amounts of responsibility, in different team environments, in different conditions or are just in different parts of their form cycle - it's not always just about the standard. Sometimes players perform at a similar standard across several different levels as they play to their opposition. There are a thousand and one possible explanations for one player doing well in two competitions other than "the competitions are of a similar standard." Otherwise, English domestic one day cricket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ODIs thanks to Eion Morgan. In fact, Mahmudullah has shown us that good old Bangladeshi domestic cricket is better than Test cricket, and Naeem Islam's bowling shows it's better than ODIs.
And to cap that off, Franklin's actually performed much better in the Plunket Shield than the County Championship in the last couple of seasons with the bat anyway. Yes, he did a job in the CC, but his PS averages in the last couple of seasons have been 71 and 157 (admittedly small sample sizes; but if you're going to use him to compare competitions that's all you've got) - he averaged 33 in the CC last season. Admittedly he averaged 50 the season before but that was after coming off an average of 157 for Wellington.. he's a quality player and that he's doing well in County Cricket proves little other than that.
Franklin took seven wickets for something in CC and after seeing him bowl recently (admittedly in an ODI) i can't see him taking seven wickets against a current PS team.I've seen you use this point before (about a thousand times in fact), but I always assumed you were taking the piss and trying to wind people up a bit, like I did with Sydney Grade cricketers with 15 wickets @ 25. Now you seem to have used it as a serious point; that's ridiculous.
I'm not saying the gap between the County Championship and the Plunket Shield is actually large (hard to make a real comparison without seeing much of either) but to use the example of one player to suggest it isn't is really flawed. Some players perform better with different amounts of responsibility, in different team environments, in different conditions or are just in different parts of their form cycle - it's not always just about the standard. Sometimes players perform at a similar standard across several different levels as they play to their opposition. There are a thousand and one possible explanations for one player doing well in two competitions other than "the competitions are of a similar standard." Otherwise, English domestic one day cricket >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ODIs thanks to Eion Morgan. In fact, Mahmudullah has shown us that good old Bangladeshi domestic cricket is better than Test cricket, and Naeem Islam's bowling shows it's better than ODIs.
And to cap that off, Franklin's actually performed much better in the Plunket Shield than the County Championship in the last couple of seasons with the bat anyway. Yes, he did a job in the CC, but his PS averages in the last couple of seasons have been 71 and 157 (admittedly small sample sizes; but if you're going to use him to compare competitions that's all you've got) - he averaged 33 in the CC last season. Admittedly he averaged 50 the season before but that was after coming off an average of 157 for Wellington.. he's a quality player and that he's doing well in County Cricket proves little other than that.
Shame they don't existI'd back a Kiwi with the same average over Nash every time.
From what I know of your domestic sides, I genuinely believe that Sussex, our Division 2 Champions last season, could win your competition. It might be a bit closer on NZ pitches tbf, but weighing up the sides on ability alone I reckon I'd tip the County side.Slight pisstake miss is miss.
Me and Markarse had the original discussion about this on MSN. Somehow it has something to do with Sam Wells, but anyway, he said Nash would make the NZ team and started hating on Guptill being trash in all formats so I brought up Franklin opening in CC List A to wind him up because he was using Guptill as justification for Nash walking into the NZ test side.
And I don't base my opinion on CC being in the same ballpark as the Plunket Shield on Franklin alone. I use other players to get a general guideline, such as Andre Adams, Monty Panesar etc. along with what other posters say.
FTR, I think Div 2 is slightly worse and Div 1 much better than NZ domestics. Before someone brings up player production quality, England obviously have produced better players than us (though they still have their fair share of complete ****). I think that's largely down to a larger player pool and overseas players raising the domestic cricket standard.