Clarke or Samaraweera? - Page 2

Migara · 20-12-2010, 05:11 AM

With current form Samaraweera. But I think Clarke is better. Sam will only get very few chances to play overseas as he's already 34, so might be 3 more seasons at maximum. But the way he handled Roach when the ball was boomeranging gives hope to fans that he could do it overseas as well.

Cricketismylife · 20-12-2010, 05:10 PM

Just as a side note does anyone at all see any shades of Greg Chappell in Samaraweera when playing spin? Not that I'm saying Samaraweera is in his league; of course I could be the only one...

Uppercut · 20-12-2010, 05:52 PM

It's a pretty tough comparison. Samaraweera has an easier time of it than Clarke because he doesn't play in such a wide variety of conditions, but he does do his job quite a bit better than Clarke does his.

Migara · 20-12-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cricketismylife

Just as a side note does anyone at all see any shades of Greg Chappell in Samaraweera when playing spin? Not that I'm saying Samaraweera is in his league; of course I could be the only one...

Samaraweera is not in Chappel's league as a batsman. But jhe's in his own league when it comes to playing spin. Better player of spin that Chappel IMO. Easily the second or third best player of spin SL has in his entire history after Ranatunga and Tillekaratne

TumTum · 20-12-2010, 06:56 PM

Surely Mahela is your best against spin?

vcs · 20-12-2010, 08:15 PM

Yeah, I was wondering that as well. Samaraweera is pretty awesome to watch against spin. But he hasn't done all that well against Kumble/Harbhajan in India.

Migara · 21-12-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TumTum

Surely Mahela is your best against spin?

Nah, Samaraweera, PJ and then Mahela.

weldone · 21-12-2010, 07:18 AM

Well, Hussey>Samaraweera>Clarke for me. Personal choice obviously.

GotSpin · 21-12-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by weldone

Well, Hussey>Samaraweera>Clarke for me. Personal choice obviously.

Only if Hussey was playing at home though

weldone · 21-12-2010, 07:23 AM

regardless...though not by much over the other 2...

Himannv · 21-12-2010, 07:31 AM

Personally feel that Mahela is the best against spin in SL. Just so happens that he gets out for some reason or other instead of cashing in on his ability. In terms of talent, Mahela is head and shoulders above most IMO. Unfortunately doesn't convert that into consistent performances.

weldone · 21-12-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Himannv

Personally feel that Mahela is the best against spin in SL. Just so happens that he gets out for some reason or other instead of cashing in on his ability. In terms of talent, Mahela is head and shoulders above most IMO. Unfortunately doesn't convert that into consistent performances.

ditto.

Migara · 21-12-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by weldone

Well, Hussey>Samaraweera>Clarke for me. Personal choice obviously.

Clark has the most talent, then Hussey and Sam the least. But talen <> performance as it looks. But I'd expect Clarke to hit a purple patch in the future, which Hussey and Sam will be unable to because of age.

Cricketismylife · 21-12-2010, 10:32 AM

Mahela not consistent? That's a bit harsh, I'd say he's been very consistent in the last 4 years. Actually if you look at it the only place he really messed up in the last 4 years was 2 tests New Zealand. He performed ok in England; nothing special but he did save a test there. People do underrate him due to his away record, which he does have to improve, but it's not as if he's had many chances, since 2006 3 tests in England (where he got a 100), 2 in Aus (where he got a 100) and 2 in NZ. I guess we will find out next year where he sits with the very best.

Migara I would have to disagree with you about PJ playing spin better than Mahela. I don't see it that way; PJ only looks respectable against spin because comparatively he looks so hopeless against pace. He does have some decent attacking shots, but does not have the ability to manouvre spin around like Mahela or Samaraweera.

For me Mahela is the best player of spin in SL team slightly ahead of Samaraweera...both have good footwork against spin and can attack or defend against spin well.

Migara · 21-12-2010, 10:48 AM

^^We might see them differently, yesy i agree. Sam has the mindset of Ranatunga against spinners, that lacked any respect. So you'll see many shots against spin, like leg spinners disappearing through mid wicket or offies through cover-point. That's one way of aggressive batting against spin. A drive along the carpet played against spin breaks the heart of a spinner more than a humangous six over mid wicket, because you know that you have very little chance (unless it's Sidhu or Sehwag doing it). Mahela is more measured and plays with the spin and respects spinners (but gets out when he tries that odd shot). Tillekaratne was an even better player of spin than Mahela, but he wa one of those obdurate stone wallers, and spinners had that sinking feeling that you'd never get him (As with Andrew Flower).

Finally it comes to which style of play you like most. Obviously I rank a player who always hits the ball against the spin without hitting it in the air more (may be aesthetics) unless Sidhu or Sehwag is playing. You may rank them differently which is very fair by you.

PJ, is well known for his spin play for a long long time. He has an attitude peroblem when he's playing spinners of not respecting them. But good strokemaker against spin, and be a must when SL play India. I agree that he's clueless against pace. Even with his high quality glove work might lose the place to Kaushal Silva who is a much better batsman.

20-12-2010, 05:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	With current form Samaraweera. But I think Clarke is better. Sam will only get very few chances to play overseas as he's already 34, so might be 3 more seasons at maximum. But the way he handled Roach when the ball was boomeranging gives hope to fans that he could do it overseas as well. __________________ Diuretics are used to look good at TV shows I played for 20 years in the Lankan team, I did not have any problems as a Tamil - Muralidaran

21-12-2010, 07:18 AM	#23 (permalink)
weldone International Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kolkata --> Mumbai, India Posts: 5,950	Well, Hussey>Samaraweera>Clarke for me. Personal choice obviously. __________________ "I want to raise my hand and say one thing. Those who complain about my love for the game or commitment to the game are clueless. These are the only 2 areas where I give myself 100 out of 100." - Sachin Tendulkar, as told in an interview published in Bengali newspaper Anandabazar Patrika after his 100th International century (translated by weldone)

21-12-2010, 07:31 AM	#26 (permalink)
Himannv International Captain Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SL Posts: 6,167	Personally feel that Mahela is the best against spin in SL. Just so happens that he gets out for some reason or other instead of cashing in on his ability. In terms of talent, Mahela is head and shoulders above most IMO. Unfortunately doesn't convert that into consistent performances. __________________ "I will go down as Darren Sammy, the one who always smiles" - Darren Sammy

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20-12-2010, 05:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
Cricketismylife U19 12th Man Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: uk Posts: 200	Just as a side note does anyone at all see any shades of Greg Chappell in Samaraweera when playing spin? Not that I'm saying Samaraweera is in his league; of course I could be the only one...

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TumTum International Regular Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,342	Surely Mahela is your best against spin?

20-12-2010, 08:15 PM	#21 (permalink)
vcs International Coach Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: India Posts: 10,305	Yeah, I was wondering that as well. Samaraweera is pretty awesome to watch against spin. But he hasn't done all that well against Kumble/Harbhajan in India.

21-12-2010, 07:23 AM	#25 (permalink)
weldone International Captain Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kolkata --> Mumbai, India Posts: 5,950	regardless...though not by much over the other 2...

21-12-2010, 10:32 AM	#29 (permalink)
Cricketismylife U19 12th Man Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: uk Posts: 200	Mahela not consistent? That's a bit harsh, I'd say he's been very consistent in the last 4 years. Actually if you look at it the only place he really messed up in the last 4 years was 2 tests New Zealand. He performed ok in England; nothing special but he did save a test there. People do underrate him due to his away record, which he does have to improve, but it's not as if he's had many chances, since 2006 3 tests in England (where he got a 100), 2 in Aus (where he got a 100) and 2 in NZ. I guess we will find out next year where he sits with the very best. Migara I would have to disagree with you about PJ playing spin better than Mahela. I don't see it that way; PJ only looks respectable against spin because comparatively he looks so hopeless against pace. He does have some decent attacking shots, but does not have the ability to manouvre spin around like Mahela or Samaraweera. For me Mahela is the best player of spin in SL team slightly ahead of Samaraweera...both have good footwork against spin and can attack or defend against spin well.

21-12-2010, 10:48 AM	#30 (permalink)
Migara International Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Colombo, SL Posts: 5,175	^^We might see them differently, yesy i agree. Sam has the mindset of Ranatunga against spinners, that lacked any respect. So you'll see many shots against spin, like leg spinners disappearing through mid wicket or offies through cover-point. That's one way of aggressive batting against spin. A drive along the carpet played against spin breaks the heart of a spinner more than a humangous six over mid wicket, because you know that you have very little chance (unless it's Sidhu or Sehwag doing it). Mahela is more measured and plays with the spin and respects spinners (but gets out when he tries that odd shot). Tillekaratne was an even better player of spin than Mahela, but he wa one of those obdurate stone wallers, and spinners had that sinking feeling that you'd never get him (As with Andrew Flower). Finally it comes to which style of play you like most. Obviously I rank a player who always hits the ball against the spin without hitting it in the air more (may be aesthetics) unless Sidhu or Sehwag is playing. You may rank them differently which is very fair by you. PJ, is well known for his spin play for a long long time. He has an attitude peroblem when he's playing spinners of not respecting them. But good strokemaker against spin, and be a must when SL play India. I agree that he's clueless against pace. Even with his high quality glove work might lose the place to Kaushal Silva who is a much better batsman.

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