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    Laxmi Ratan Shukla- time for the blue uniform?

    We've seen the Indians try different things to get the balance right. They've tried to play seven batsmen, but that weakens the bowling disproportionately, and the batting often can't make up for it. They've tried Yusuf Pathan, but have been scared of bowling him, and he hardly gets to bat. They've tried Ravindra Jadeja fully, but he's fully found out to be poor, with bat and ball. They've not got enough out of Bhajji and Praveen, and are not keen. Ideally, they've got one more option- Laxmi Ratan Shukla, a middle-order batsman from Bengal, who's also a regular change seamer.

    He's presently an ideal selection for the ODI side, with a lot going his way. He's a frontline batsman and useful support seamer, which strengthens the batting. He's a seam-up bowler, so the Indians can play two proper spinners, which means, they play to their strength. While he isn't outright quick, he's decently fast for a batsman turning in overs, and is very accurate and uses conditions smartly. Unlike the part-time spinners, who need a lot of protection, he can take more risks and step up, although a McGrath-esque performance is beyond him- Shane Watson or Paul Collingwood, maybe. He's capable of building partnerships as well as striking a series of lusty blows, unlike those who can't hit a six or can only attack all the time. He's also a very good outfielder, which is a plus for India. Most importantly, he carries the weight of over a century of List-A games, and nearly as many wickets, and being a captain and senior player for his teams, he's a smart player.

    What goes against him, apart from the selectors' lack of interest, is that he's a batsman first- when the bowling needs to be beefed up, he's not a strike bowler to choose. You don't hear of him leading domestic bowling charts. Besides, he hasn't faced international opposition in a long time, outside of the IPL. With the spin-bowling batsmen not up to the mark with the ball and the bowlers not quite in the runs, they can turn to this batsman who can bowl seam-up. It improves the team composition drastically.
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    Simple. Make your pitches bit more seamer friendly and go with one spinner and part time spin of Sehwag, Raina and Yuvraj.

    Or make the dan pitches spin friendly and play the same side.
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    Well I've not seen him so I could obviously be off the mark, but I definitely get the feeling that anyone who bowls medium pace in the Ranji Trophy but isn't a frontline bowler would get hammered in ODI cricket, particularly on Indian pitches. If it's going to be a batting allrounder, it's probably going to have to be a spinner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well I've not seen him so I could obviously be off the mark, but I definitely get the feeling that anyone who bowls medium pace in the Ranji Trophy but isn't a frontline bowler would get hammered in ODI cricket, particularly on Indian pitches. If it's going to be a batting allrounder, it's probably going to have to be a spinner.
    Not necessarily. Best example Angelo Mathews. Averages 26.6 in SC. I agree that he has not played much and probably half a yard quicker than Shukla. But if the bowler has a good cricket brain, decent L & L, variations and a yorker, there is no reason why cannot perform as a fifth bowler in the side.


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    It's an option the selectors should be seriously considering though time is running a bit short now. I have always felt that medicore bowlers who contribute nothing with the bat or in the field have no place in ODI cricket. Both Nehra and RP Singh fall in this category. Someone like Shukla who is only a bit worse with the ball but contributes a lot more with the bat would be a better option. I didn't know he was a good outfielder which woud be nice bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migara View Post
    Not necessarily. Best example Angelo Mathews. Averages 26.6 in SC. I agree that he has not played much and probably half a yard quicker than Shukla. But if the bowler has a good cricket brain, decent L & L, variations and a yorker, there is no reason why cannot perform as a fifth bowler in the side.
    The ODI pitches in srilanka tend to be slow and tough to score runs on.

    In India there can be low scoring wickets too ,but that help the spinners not the faster bowlers. Otherwise the faster bowlers/Specially fast medium pacers tend to be hammered a lot on any wicket.
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    Not sure about Laxmi Ratan Shukla's bowling abilites to be in the team ,specially on the ODI wickets in India.
    And he is not good enough to make it as a batsmen.

    If i personally would want to pick a Batsmen who can be a backup seamer ,i would pick Abhishek Nayar ahead of Shukla as he is a better bat and almost a equally good bowler..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    It's an option the selectors should be seriously considering though time is running a bit short now. I have always felt that medicore bowlers who contribute nothing with the bat or in the field have no place in ODI cricket. Both Nehra and RP Singh fall in this category. Someone like Shukla who is only a bit worse with the ball but contributes a lot more with the bat would be a better option. I didn't know he was a good outfielder which woud be nice bonus.
    Dropping Nehra at this point would be stupid. He's our best ODI bowler.

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    I do not know much about this dude, but there is no place for him in the side. Like I mentioned in another thread, the four bowlers will almost certainly be Harbhajan Singh, Praveen Kumar, Zaheer Khan and Ashish Nehra. Is this dude good enough to bat at seven ? I am really not in favour of making any changes to the ODI side this close to the World Cup.

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    Joginder Sharma and JP Yadav were tried out based on similar reasoning. Didn't work.

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    For these Indian conditions, you'd get far more out of having two full spinners than having one and bits and pieces for another. That's where Shukla comes useful. He's only medium-pace, but so are most Indian seam bowlers who have played, especially the debutants after May 2009. He may offer slightly less, but he's a batsman first, so it's huge. He can be carried, the same way India have often carried average (or less) seamers as well as some dreadful spinners lately, and offer just as much as that extra seamer. I'd claim he can do at least as well Munaf or Tyagi or Mithun or Umesh Yadav or Pankaj Singh at this stage. Besides, you need your wickets from the top four bowlers, so the least he needs to do is see off at least eight overs. He can bowl without the dollops of protection the part-time spinners need, so it helps.

    His batting is good enough, but he's never been given the chances he needs. He can play out a long innings and build a partnership like Yuvraj or Dhoni, or go on an all-out attack like big-hitting maestro Yusuf. In the final overs, he's an asset. He can ride on good top-six performances and finish well. Being his team's senior batsman and also a captain for a few seasons, he's definitely a smarter batsman. He's also coming off a good Ranji season so far, and while squad changes may not be advised at this time, they have happened in the past, and often worked.

    The fast bowlers get hammered, because they've got to bowl in risky conditions such as the power plays, facing set batsmen in form or the closing stages. We never see the part-timers put to the test at all in such conditions, especially under Dhoni- Dravid did that often and the part-timerrs had to be taken off very quickly. He can be provided the protection when needed, though he's a superior bowler to the part-time spinners.

    He's not quite in the same bracket as Nayar or Joginder or Yadav. Nayar is a much weaker bowler, and has almost relinquished all-round duty to Dhawal Kulkarni and Iqbal Abdulla in Mumbai itself. JP Yadav was sidelined because they had both Irfan and Powar- now Powar is out of contention, while Irfan's recurring injury has hampered his chances. Likewise, there were better options than Joginder in Yusuf and Praveen, but both have had so few chances with their second skills that they seem unviable. Shukla has been an active all-rounder for the last three seasons, so it should help him.

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    Think Praveen Kumar can evolve into a good ODI all-rounder. Dhoni must show more confidence in his batting though. Praveen tends to bat too low down the order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8ankitj View Post
    Think Praveen Kumar can evolve into a good ODI all-rounder. Dhoni must show more confidence in his batting though. Praveen tends to bat too low down the order.
    Really don't think he's anywhere near good enough to bat seven, tbh. Gets nosebleeds when he bats eight, even if he does open sometimes domestically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    Dropping Nehra at this point would be stupid. He's our best ODI bowler.
    He had a decent tour of Sri Lanka but he has been consistently crap before that. Does anyone believe that in a crunch situation in the semi-final or final of the World Cup Nehra will deliver? And he is too much of a liability in the field as well as being useless with the bat. IMO he is the kind of cricketer who is a complete deadweight in an ODI team. While bits and pieces cricketers get a lot of flack, they are a better option than players like Nehra and RP Singh IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dissector View Post
    He had a decent tour of Sri Lanka but he has been consistently crap before that. Does anyone believe that in a crunch situation in the semi-final or final of the World Cup Nehra will deliver? And he is too much of a liability in the field as well as being useless with the bat. IMO he is the kind of cricketer who is a complete deadweight in an ODI team. While bits and pieces cricketers get a lot of flack, they are a better option than players like Nehra and RP Singh IMO.
    Disagree. Bits and pieces cricketers are likelier to fall short when the going gets tough if you ask me. How many WC winning teams in recent memory have had them? Maybe Tom Moody in '99 qualifies as one, can't think of anyone else.

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