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  • Performance against best teams

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Thread: What is the most important criterion for someone to be classified as an ATG?

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    What is the most important criterion for someone to be classified as an ATG?

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    How good they were compared to their peers.
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    Chose Performance against best teams, because if you are a top order batsmen or opening bowler, if you perform well initially you would not be under pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    How good they were compared to their peers.
    Gotta be that. I dont buy into this longevity thing. Stephen Fleming was around for ages, wasnt even close to being considered great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TumTum View Post
    Chose Performance against best teams, because if you are a top order batsmen or opening bowler, if you perform well initially you would not be under pressure.
    If someone just performs against the big teams though they would not go down as a great IMO. Fair enough if you mean their average is not hyper-inflated by matches against the likes of Bangladesh and their average of 50 has been maintain across all nations.

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    I pick longevity. Not as in their career went on for 20 years, but that they were at the top level for many years. Halfway through his career Hussey looked like a potential great, now he would just be classed as a very good batsman and would not stand up to the test of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Prince C View Post
    If someone just performs against the big teams though they would not go down as a great IMO. Fair enough if you mean their average is not hyper-inflated by matches against the likes of Bangladesh and their average of 50 has been maintain across all nations.
    Well the question did ask to only choose 1 option. And it's not like your Longevity option is any better, I mean it doesn't even say if that player had a great average or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TumTum View Post
    Well the question did ask to only choose 1 option. And it's not like your Longevity option is any better, I mean it doesn't even say if that player had a great average or not.
    "Top level" meaning the elite standard, not just being a test player but being one of the best around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie Prince C View Post
    "Top level" meaning the elite standard, not just being a test player but being one of the best around.
    That's not what longevity means though.
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    Longevity: No. Can play consistently poor for a long period of time.
    Stats: Yes. The main thing stats don't take into consideration is the conditions in which a player has scored and whether a not a player has performed under pressure etc., however for most intents and purposes it is the best indicator of someones ability.
    Aesthetics: No. One can look good while playing but not be outstanding.
    Performance against best teams: No. Although this is a good indicator of a players ability, if they have scored poorly against lower quality teams, then they cannot be classified an ATG. An ATG should be able to score effectively against the majority of teams. Just because a team is of lower quality doesn't mean there aren't circumstances when a player is under pressure to help his team succeed.
    Performance away from home: It is simply just a matter of opinion whether or not playing well at home or away is better. In any case, it is preferable to be good at both.
    Performance under pressure: Yes and No. If a player can consistently score under pressure, then IMO they should be classified an ATG. Under pressure implies the team is requiring a knock to save the game (either avoiding a lose, or by winning). However, whilst the skill to score under pressure is undoubtedly important, it is also important to be able to score when your team is not under pressure. E.g. when your team gets of to a good start, it is unfavourable to hole out and put your team back into a pressured situation.

    So overall to be classified an ATG, I think a player should not only have outstanding all-round stats, but should also have scored in pressured situations and won/saved many matches for his team.

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    Hah! Love the Micallef sig. Genius. Typical of the man.

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    Is that from Newstopia

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    Na, its from the Micallef Program/Programme/Pogram, one of the greatest shows ever made. Newstopia was pretty good too though, however unfortunately it looks like another season is out of the question due to freaking Talkin' bout your Generation. Can see why Micallef is doing the show, cause he has hardly ever had a show which has been comercially successful, but at the same time the mainstream appeal is ruining him as a comedian.

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    Good luck to the guy, his past shows have been awesome. Cant stand the Generation show though.

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