England Squads

[Rik]

I agree with this. I remember when Jerome Taylor debuted against Sri Lanka this year. He looked nervous and his inexperience definitely showed, but Lara kept faith in him and didn't just ban him to fine leg or the like. As such, Taylor continued to run in and bowl with purpose, albeit without success.

Yeah but he's started taking wickets now. Yet Kabir takes 5 and is dropped!!!

 

[Craig]

What do you have against Flintoff Craig?

Even when he performs really well, you have to have a go at him and predict failure.

I expect he may struggle against Murali, but he certainly won't be alone in that respect.

Vaas I cannot really see causing him that many problems as he is quite comfortable against seam bowling, and once he gets himself in tends to be able to bat well against them.

But conditions in Sri Lanka are different to England. Look I dont have anything against him except I dont really rate him.

Baaza once pointed out that Flintoff is rated 49th in the world with the batsmen - as if that is hardly special.

It isnt unresonable to for him to continue his form.

 

[Rik]

What do you have against Flintoff Craig?

Even when he performs really well, you have to have a go at him and predict failure.

I expect he may struggle against Murali, but he certainly won't be alone in that respect.

Vaas I cannot really see causing him that many problems as he is quite comfortable against seam bowling, and once he gets himself in tends to be able to bat well against them.

I think what Craig is pushing at is that Flintoff has struggled against spinners before on the subcontinent on spinning pitches, his technique basically backs his eye and he pushes hard at the ball. If he mis-judges a spinning delivery and pushes hard at it he is likely to hit it to any of the close in catchers which surround the batsman when the spinners are on, just think back to the tour of India. To be fair I don't think Flintoff will find it too easy out there either.

 

[marc71178]

I think Flintoff has matured greatly as a batsman in recent times, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him succeed out there (remember that SL only really have one spinner who will really threaten)

 

[Eclipse]

I would have given him a go instead of Martyn, or Ponting who was very lucky he wasn't "Bevaned" after a string of inconsistant performances.

Not really Ponting's avrage has never been below 35 and has almost always been 40+

He was inconsistant but at least he always looked comftable against quality bowling witch is somthing Beven never quite did.

 

[Rik]

I think Flintoff has matured greatly as a batsman in recent times, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him succeed out there (remember that SL only really have one spinner who will really threaten)

Yes but what a spinner...

 

[Craig]

I think what Craig is pushing at is that Flintoff has struggled against spinners before on the subcontinent on spinning pitches, his technique basically backs his eye and he pushes hard at the ball. If he mis-judges a spinning delivery and pushes hard at it he is likely to hit it to any of the close in catchers which surround the batsman when the spinners are on, just think back to the tour of India. To be fair I don't think Flintoff will find it too easy out there either.

Correct. And Vaas is a world class bowler who swing the ball both ways etc.

 

[Rik]

Correct. And Vaas is a world class bowler who swing the ball both ways etc.

Again true.

 

[marc71178]

He's a good bowler, but World Class is a more than a bit OTT.

 

[Bazza]

I remember Flintoff having a mare on that tour of India but as Marc points out he really is a different player now. He came of age a bit in NZ and looks a completely different player now than even 12-18 months ago.

I think he'll do alright.

 

[Craig]

He's a good bowler, but World Class is a more than a bit OTT.

How come?

 

[marc71178]

Considering your harsh definition of World Class in ODI's - I don't think you can ask why Vaas isn't World Class!

 

[Craig]

You mean in regards of rpo? I believe he is under the 4.5 runs per over mark. Its been a while since I last checked.

 

[marc71178]

You mean in regards of rpo? I believe he is under the 4.5 runs per over mark. Its been a while since I last checked.

I was talking about in Test's

Chaminda Vaas is a good performer, but nowhere near World Class!

 

[gibbsnsmith]

yes..agreed but he almost worldclass better than just good like err...
thingy....oh yea...SH

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

yes..agreed but he almost worldclass better than just good like err...
thingy....oh yea...AA

AA is considered good now?? :wow:

 

[gibbsnsmith]

not him, he a load of shyte...

i meant SH [harmison] i was finkin of AA, let me just edit my post

 

[Craig]

Actually I'm surprised that nobody picked this up when I was giving my acceptable rates in one-day cricket that I made Flintoff a world-class ODI bowler and everybody here knows what I think of Flintoff.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Goes to show how much such a reliance on numbers counts for :P

 

[Craig]

What do you mean?