aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Yea Kallis is fairly solid. Nothing dynamic about his play againts spin, but has put together a good record againts quality spin all over.
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Amongst current non sub-continental batsmen,who is the best player of spin?
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BoyBrumby
Englishman
& pace too, for my money.
Maximus0723
State Regular
I think Ponting is better than Lara/Tendy against pacers.
Bull****. Your not telling the whole story either because your conveniently ignoring his failures against players you feel are of irrelevant quality. His job is to score runs and he can't do that when hes out, no matter who gets him out.
As a supposed great player of spin he should be able to put both the greats and the weak bowlers away. You can't cherry pick your moments.
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
And as i said i firmly believe if England in a future test, are in hole & he has to face one of those joke spinners, he would put his head down & bat & score againts them, just as freely as he did againts the top spinners.
Of course if he continues to struggles to get out stupidly againts joke spinners, the way he is rated compared to past top players of spin like Lara, Tendy etc will go down. Which is one area which could indeed make KP fall short of true greatness by the time he retires.
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tooextracool
International Coach
There is absolutely no way that Taylor is up there amongst spin. The guy has one shot against spin.
Flem274*
123/5
Not true at all. Just because he slog sweeps, it doesn't mean it's his only shot. In fact in test matches he is more of an offside player.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Couldn't believe how easily Amla did it in his last tour of India. He'd have to be up there.
Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Re. KP, if he's failing against poor spinners, that's his failing. You can't say he isn't playing them well because he's showing disdain for them - his job is to score runs and if he can't do that regularly against those bowlers, whether it's because of a technical problem or an attitude problem, it's a weakness, and a weakness against a particular type of bowling at that.
Once you start playing the game of player x isn't scoring runs because he couldn't be bothered etc then you can basically write off any failings you want for your favoured players.
Once you start playing the game of player x isn't scoring runs because he couldn't be bothered etc then you can basically write off any failings you want for your favoured players.
Howsie
International Captain
Haha, yeah I was just going to ask what Ross Taylor was doing in that list of players. He's decent enough against spin but he's nowhere near being top class.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah AWTA.
Spark
Global Moderator
I disagree with that. I don't think he was trying to dominate - it looked to me that he had a bit of an issue picking up length. His two dismissals in Bangalore did not strike me as the way he usually plays those types of deliveries.
But in form it's difficult to go past him. Can dominate spin without really trying, just because the bowler can't work out what length to bowl to him.
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vcs
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Ever considered the possibility that he's forced to go gung-ho and try to "dominate" spinners because he's not confident enough in his defensive abilities to block out the good ones? I've rarely seen him play a "put his head down and grind it out" knock against a rampant spin attack, whereas many inferior players of spin have done that and saved/won matches for their team.
Tom 1972
School Boy/Girl Captain
My experience is in Australia games so I'll limit it to that.
I always felt that KP was the one who could "stop" Warne and set the tone for the game. High risk, high reward...
So that's who I voted for.
Plus there is also the question of what the batter does with the medium pacer/quick at the other end.
I guess I just enjoyed watching KP bat more than the likes of Kallis, who might have better records and who you might send in "if they were batting for your life".
I always felt that KP was the one who could "stop" Warne and set the tone for the game. High risk, high reward...
So that's who I voted for.
Plus there is also the question of what the batter does with the medium pacer/quick at the other end.
I guess I just enjoyed watching KP bat more than the likes of Kallis, who might have better records and who you might send in "if they were batting for your life".
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Flem274*
123/5
Neither are some of the rest tbh.
Taylor's all right against spin. He's scored against quite a few and taken the lesser ones to the cleaners on occassion.
Clarke and Kallis a couple of levels above though, hence I voted Kallis.
Flem274*
123/5
Not a bad shout actually. Has a test century in India batting at three as well.
Though he's retired from tests so won't feature in this poll. Otherwise I'd nominate Fleming.
