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Bob Simpson is not considered an all-rounder? From what I have read and seen [ as a coach ] Bob must be a contender as well.
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Season 3 H Sutcliffe, M Hayden, I Chappell (c), G Pollock, A Faulkner, M Hussey, D Lindsay (wk), I Botham, A Kumble, M Marshall, D Lillee
All-rounders only being more than one discipline is something someone made up to include their favourite player in the category. An all-rounder is someone who performs the main disciplines of the game to a proficient level (ie: batting and bowling). Calling a keeper an 'all-rounder' sounds like something Mark Nicholas has done.
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I think I agree with cokes on keepers generally tho. Not quite all-rounders for my quid, although if you add in competent captaincy (which lets out Dhoni, I'm afraid) I suppose one might stretch a point.
I think the key point for keepers is that, no matter how great a keeper they are, they won't be selected for it alone without some batting chops. A keeper might be sufficiently dire to be dropped for being plop behind the stumps (hi Matty), but the days of keepers batting #9 or below are gonesville. Both Oz and England have better keepers than their current test custodians (Manou & Foster respectively), but no-one even seriously advocates them because Haddin's & Prior's batting is so superior.
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Dhoni's captaincy has moved from overrated to underrated on CW I reckon. A few odd field placements have made others forget his achievements over the last 24 months.
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Yeah, and it's poor decisions in Tests that have led to criticisms of his ODI captaincy.
But yeah of late his captaincy has been under fire somewhat unfairly I thought.
You're kidding aren't you?
If the poll is about the best allrounder when considering captaincy as a discipline, then it is Sobers by a country mile. He's probably in the top handful or batsmen of all time let alone taking loads of wickets with various bowling styles.
Test Batting average a shade under 58. (37)
Bowling average a shade over 34. (22)
Sobers: 39 Tests, 8 wins, 10 losses, 20 draws. (48 Tests, 14 wins, 8 losses, 26 draws.)
Bowled spin (orthadox and chinaman), medium-fast.
Great fielder anywhere.
Held batting record of 365.
6 6s in an over.
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Then Shaun Pollock, Andrew Flintoff and Shane Watson are not allrounders, because they would not be chosen for certain disciplines if they lost the other.
Pollock would never have been picked as a specialist bat, and for much of Freddy's career, neither would he.
Watson would most definitely not be picked as a specialist bowler.
That's an extreme definition of allrounder. It's more the definition of an all-time great allrounder.
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