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    The Toss

    Call me crazy, but i'm tired of test matches being influenced by the toss.

    Especially in places like India and England. Because of the whether .conditions in these countries, there is a clear advantage in choosing to bat first or bowl first.

    This shouldn't be the case.

    I would say, to even out the impact of the toss, ICC should consider some innovative measures.

    In football the toss is largely irrelevant, but the winner can either choose to start the kick off or pick the goal that they want to attack (I think). So there is something to choose for both the winner and the loser. Is it not possible to have something like that in Cricket.

    How about the toss-winner being able to choose either the innings order or a choice of ball?

    For example English like to play with the Duke ball, Indians the SG ball and the Aussies the Kookaburra ball etc.In each test they should nominate two types of balls that can be chosen. If the toss winner decides the batting order, then the loser can level the effect of the toss a bit by choosing the ball.

    Does this make sense?

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    The toss often gives an advantage, but it never assures a certain result.

    And what would you replace it with anyway?

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    ... Then how would you decide who bats or bowls first? Tossing a coin is by far the best and fairest way of making that decision.
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    He wants the side losing the toss to get some sort of say as well, choosing the ball for example. It's an interesting idea I guess.


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    I quite like the idea.

    As you said, the winner of the toss gets the choice to bat or bowl or the choice of ball used in the game. The loser of the toss gets to pick the other.

    I dont know if it would work or if there are sponsorship issues with balls in certain countries but it is worth a thought.
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    I like the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    I like the idea.
    Same.
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    I don't mind the idea as long as in the warmup matches you can test the different balls a bit.

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    Or we could just use the Duke worldwide?
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    Good Idea.Like it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    ... Then how would you decide who bats or bowls first? Tossing a coin is by far the best and fairest way of making that decision.
    Learn to read, ****

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    I've always had a bit of time for the idea that the away team just chooses whether to bat or bowl in Tests - it'd neutralise the HGA a bit and make pitch-doctoring a little less effective as well as obviously removing the toss.

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    It's worth noting that statistically the toss makes barely any difference at all.

    Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    Certainly not as big an advantage as it sometimes appears to be.

    Nevertheless, excellent idea imo.
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    The Filth have comfortably the better bowling. But the Gash have the batting. Might be quite good to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It's worth noting that statistically the toss makes barely any difference at all.

    Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com

    Certainly not as big an advantage as it sometimes appears to be.

    Nevertheless, excellent idea imo.
    I reckon it's one of those two negatives cancelling each other out thing. Like how people justify a batsman being let off by an umpire by claiming how it evens out when he gets a ****ty decision on another occasion. They do cancel each other out, but it's still two crappy decisions in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Learn to read, ****

    Good suggestion IMO
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