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    That doesn't serve much of a purpose. It will, instead, shrink the talent pool, to include average passengers from strong teams ahead of talented players from lower-league stragglers. The current 15-12 format is fine as it is, but they could do well to invite foreign players to the event, and also a foreign team to the Duleep Trophy. If it wasn't for their discovery of Dhoni, who carried a weak team repeatedly and won for them, they'd be stuck with Parthiv Patel or Dinesh Karthik, both weak links for whom the team needed to adjust a lot, and India would lose Rahul Dravid five years earlier.

    A whole lot of internationals who are idle can fill in for the India stars away on national duty, often the bane of Indian domestic cricket. That will strengthen the standard of the game, although it will take time. These players should be full-fledged members of the teams, like the system in England.

    The Duleep Trophy and Deodhar Trophy should be played when there is no international action, like the IPL.
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    In other news, the Challenger Trophy becomes even more laughable, with India Red suffering a dramatic tail collapse to fold up for a paltry 185, chased down with ease by India Green. Any tournament that makes Sudeep Tyagi or Ashok Dinda look an India prospect should be ignored.

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    One more one-sided match is on the cards in this circus, with India Blue (what horrendous names!) smashing India Green (hang on, India played in shades of blue and the odd yellow) bowlers for 320, with Rahane and Dhawan top-scoring. Dhawan finished a hundred, while Rahane missed it slightly, again. Manoj Tiwary was a tad scratchy until he smashed the bowlers in the final overs, finishing with 46 runs striking over 170, until he holed out. The one good thing that can come out of this event is Rahane becoming a regular fixture in the ODI squad and an automatic choice in games where seniors are rested.

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    Let's look at state associations now. Most of them are a total mess, and have no operational ability, especially among Plate teams. Yet, we find that it's Delhi that's shown up as a corrupt, inefficient association. Is too much made of it? I mean, reports were made public of Sehwag and Chopra fleeing Delhi for Haryana, a poorly-managed association, but not a word of Haryana's slip-shod operations, notably with captains and coaches. Delhi is the home of journalism, so it figures. Maybe nobody's as inquisitive about Haryana (captain of the week, coach of the season), Uttar Pradesh (where sporting grounds become memorials for leaders departed and serving), Karnataka (pick these star-sons in the XI and become captain), Vidarbha (shake your fist at the BCCI even if it means costing India a Test win) and many Plate associations. Delhi seems a better-run unit.


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    Are Goa and Jammu and Kashmir ever likely to become a top side

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    Not related to anything in particular, but at my uni freshers week in UK, I met an overseas graduate student who is best mates with Vinay Kumar.
    The speed at which a fielding team gets through the innings is overrated.

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    The Challenger nonsense ends in another one-sided game, this time, the final. Tanmay scores a hundred, Yomi scalps two, Chawla snares three, with three by RP Singh, and Tiwary gobbled up the Greens. Outside of that, it was a tame end to a disappointing tournament. Disappointing, as this mess is supposed to be a platform for national selection.

    Rahane, Ashwin, Yo Mahesh, Vinay Kumar and Chawla should get India caps for the forthcoming ODI series against Australia.

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    Aakash Chopra laments the decline of the Challenger Trophy and Corporate Trophy in his latest blog entry, urging the powers that be to keep them going.

    Frankly, both need a serious revamp in order to stay relevant. The Challenger Trophy gave promising youngsters and domestic stalwarts a chance to play against India's frontline team. Now, it's a circus where these players, without competition from top Indian cricketers, compete in two and a half games for places in the national team. It's a little like building an Indian team in just four days. It should be a competition between the current Indian team, the immediate reserves and youngsters in the development squad. That will imply that the event be held at a time when India does not have international action. Likewise, the Corporate Trophy, as Chopra says, has too many teams playing too many games at a stretch. Some teams are full of extras and have average domestic players as their top professionals. The choice of teams, the management of players as well as the scheduling (yes, again) need to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hick2010uk View Post
    Are Goa and Jammu and Kashmir ever likely to become a top side
    I guess not. Goa has a poorly-administered state association and no genuine talent beyond moderate IPL find Swapnil Asnodkar, T20-ready spinner Shadab Jakati and former India wicketkeeper Ajay Ratra. They don't win much. J&K, as we know, have other problems to sort out before cricket, right now, but they too don't have too many talented cricketers. Both are Plate league teams, and don't stand a chance of making the Elite league.

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    The Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy starts tomorrow. For those who are not familiar, it's the poorer, weaker, more official inter-state cousin of the Indian Premier League- it's a T20 tournament. Once again, it's been marred by poor scheduling, but with a weakened Indian team facing the Aussies, we'll see better players this time around. I'll be backing Mumbai, TN, Delhi or Baroda for this event, though Maharashtra can spring up a surprise like they did last time.

    What does Ajinkya Rahane need to do to play ODIs for India? They were likely to field a weakened side for this series, and did just that. While Mukund, Ashwin, Vinay and Vijay are good selections and Sachin, Zaheer, Bhajji and Gambhir, worthy exclusions (they need a break!), the non-selection of Rahane is questionable. He's taken his imperious first-class form to ODs, and has a very impressive OD sheet. In addition, he's also very effective on the field. He's also more experienced in domestic matches, with over 44. Instead, we see Rohit Sharma, Saurabh Tiwary and Jadeja in the team again. I don't quite believe Rohit Sharma isn't worth another ODI anymore, but Rahane would be a better option on form. Jadeja getting in ahead of Rahane, though, makes one wonder, what were the selectors thinking?

    Also questionable is the exclusion of Yo Mahesh. In just 37 games, he's got 61 wickets, which indicates he'sbeen striking with amazing regularity. On the other hand, they've picked Jadeja, Praveen and Munaf, all of whom struggle to take wickets. Volumes have been written about the useless captain's boy Jadeja, and we already know about the poor strike rates of Praveen and Munaf. Moreover, these two pacers are such poor fielders, it's suicidal to go in with even one against a top fielding side like the Australians. On the bright side, worthy exclusions are those of Ashok Dinda, Sudeep Tyagi, Pragyan Ojha, Umesh Yadav, Mithun and Jaidev Unadkat. Let them earn their India caps.

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    Arjun,Mukund has not been picked either for the India -Australia series.

    Here's my post about the selection from the tour thread-

    That ODI indian team selection is weird .

    Abhinav Mukund got called up in the test squad,so could not play the Challenger trophy ,and as a result Dhawan overtook him for the ODI team selection as a opener in what is a almost guaranteed starting position.
    This despite Abhinav Mukund being one of the top players in all 50 overs domestic matches last season.

    Though i am glad Shikhar Dhawan has finally found his place into the Indian team. Been a fan since His U-19 days where he was player of the tournament in the WC.
    Should have been selected earlier for mine liking but a run out in a Challenger trophy game where both he and Uthappa were doing well,and Uthappa at the same time scoring a century in the same match cost him a selection ahead of Robin Uthappa in the Indian team which he was way more likely for before the event.

    Poor Rahane also must be wondering why his very good form in the challenger has not got him in the ODI team ahead of Rohit Sharma.
    I would have selected Pujara ahead of Yuvraj or Rohit too.Not selecting him after his test selection is strange too. He is not a t20 batsmen ,but he is a pretty good ODI batsmen. And it would be helpful to have one more solid bat among the trailblazers.

    As for the bowlers Glad Ishant Sharma has not been picked.Would have dented whatever confidence he gained in the first test to have him play The ODI's .

    And Pujara showing today why he should have been picked too.

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    Oops...sorry...mistook Dhawan for Mukund, who may be the better player. Dhawan, though, has more OD experience with impressive stats.

    I don't mind Rohit or Yuvraj in the team, but Rahane's a questionable exclusion. That Challenger nonsense is no benchmark for selection, as the Hazare and Deodhar tournaments are more valuable,but he's just right all round- good player of spin, decent against pace, finds the gaps, hits the big shots and runs hard and fast. Even when he isn't batting, he's a top-notch fielder. While Yuvraj and Rohit are still, problems notwithstanding, worth their places, Jadeja surely isn't. As said of Gavaskar junior on an internet portal, he isn't much of a batsman. Nor is he a bowler. Yuvraj, Raina and even Rahane are better all-rounders than Jadeja. Likewise a few bowlers.

    Ishant would be a decent pick, as he just got back in the groove in Mohali. His last ODI series was quite good, as he took wickets cheaply, and while his economy is high, he can get wickets quickly, at an impressive strike rate. Praveen and Munaf, on the other hand, don't get wickets. You can't dominate an ODI series, or compete with the Aussies, if you don't take wickets. Ishant would surely be more valuable than these two- although Praveen is useful more as a utility player plus than as a frontline seamer.

    Only one genuine spinner? The selectors have lost it totally now.

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    While attention of Indian fans is centered around the ongoing ODI series against Australia, the SMAT goes on, unnoticed. It's not surprising, given the lack of stars or even lack of quality here. Even then, Kerala upset Karnataka, with a little help from VJD (the local alternative to D/L) and rains. So far, Karnataka batsmen Mayank Agarwal and then Robin Uthappa lead the runs tally. Mayank Agarwal is a nineteen-year-old who bats like Sehwag, and in three games, has shown a lot of promise. He hasn't faced the strong TN side yet. Leading the wickets tally, though, is a surprise so far- a bowler from Kerala and one from Goa. Yo Mahesh isn't too far behind, with five wickets in three. Surely a contender for a limited-overs spot in some time- despite his economy, he's got a very impressive strike rate.

    Outside of that, East Zone squads have been announced. Essentially, it is the Bengal show, barring an upset by Orissa, the only team there that can compete with them. Bengal have a strong side, with Manoj Tiwary, Wriddhiman Saha and Laxmi Ratan Shukla being the top draw, and Ashok Dinda, Saurashish Lahiri and some slightly experienced Bengal players, not quite as impressive, but still formidable there in the East.

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    The funny thing about the SMAT is that Kerala qualifies for the knockouts, ahead of Karnataka, from the South Zone. While Karnataka were outclassed by TN, the better team, they were outdone by rain against Kerala, who don't have a single India prospect in their ranks. That is, unless you'll take a risk with Prasanth, their left-arm spinner. In fact, he seems a better bet than Ojha and Jadeja.

    Other zones' squads are now announced. Baroda will miss Irfan, though Yusuf will figure. Last year's surprise package, Maharashtra, have retained a lot of their players, but it will be a surprise if they make it this time around. That still doesn't do much for the tournament, which is in danger of losing its relevance, like the Challenger Trophy and the Corporate Trophy.

    Elsewhere, on Akash Chopra's blog, he suggests grooming Pujara as a limited-overs batsman. I'm not too sure how productive that will be (look at what an imbalance of ODI and FC cricket did to Yuvraj, Kaif and Uthappa), although he's worth the cap.

    One more- watch out for Mayank Agarwal. His team's out of contention, but he's blazed away in that event, and looks a good prospect for an IPL team, and as a T20 specialist.
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    Has anyone seen Rahane bat? A 66.91 FC average is scary... whats that likely translate to for tests?

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