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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Well i don't know how "partisan" the judges are...but its not making sense to me that British Court system is not giving any updates on the issue...i was hoping if the British Courts gave a verdict it will be at least quite convincing for all the fans....now if ICC goes on to put punishments without the Courts making a judgment and later the Court says due to the lack of evidence they give them an acquittal then what will ICC do? Over turn there own verdict? If not, it will seem like quite unfair that the players are clean and yet the ICC is imposing bans on them....

    So, for me its a very thin line that ICC has to walk to this issue.....
    Anything is better than the PCB handling this issue. I really don't want any other Justice Qayyum type commission. By the way do you know how controversial a figure Justice Qayyum is?

    And do you know one of the reasons that he acquitted Wasim Akram for match fixing charges was that he "had a soft spot for Wasim." He was a big fan of his. Few things could be worse than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Anything is better than the PCB handling this issue. I really don't want any other Justice Qayyum type commission. By the way do you know how controversial a figure Justice Qayyum is?

    And do you know one of the reasons that he acquitted Wasim Akram for match fixing charges was that he "had a soft spot for Wasim." He was a big fan of his. Few things could be worse than this.
    Wasim was not acquitted he was fined along with Waqar and some others. He had a soft corner for Wasim but he still did not acquit him. He was just lenient and also said that Wasim should never captain Pak again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Wasim was not acquitted he was fined along with Waqar and some others. He had a soft corner for Wasim but he still did not acquit him. He was just lenient and also said that Wasim should never captain Pak again.
    If that wasn't enough there were also some quite damning tapes that were leaked to the press regarding this qayyum guy (IIRC) that were anti-Benazir (not that I was a fan of the PPP) but this Qayyum isn't the kind of guy that I would be too fond of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    If that wasn't enough there were also some quite damning tapes that were leaked to the press regarding this qayyum guy (IIRC) that were anti-Benazir (not that I was a fan of the PPP) but this Qayyum isn't the kind of guy that I would be too fond of.
    How many people in the Pakistani Justice system could one be fond of anyways....its all a big farce....like recently i heard a court judgment for death penalty for Christian woman for blasphemy...now how ridiculous is that! The whole nation is crying that the law should be repealed but the judge was dumb enough to actually go ahead with a death penalty for a verbal slur!

    Anyways, for sure its better then PCB handling it..but my concerns are for justice itself and any subjectivity in the case will be disastrous


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    I really don't know why in the world is the blasphemy law there? Of all the laws that they could come with why this one???

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    I really don't know why in the world is the blasphemy law there? Of all the laws that they could come with why this one???
    Because we have become a theocratic state full of Mullahs!

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    Zardari is hardly a mullah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Well i don't know how "partisan" the judges are...but its not making sense to me that British Court system is not giving any updates on the issue...i was hoping if the British Courts gave a verdict it will be at least quite convincing for all the fans....now if ICC goes on to put punishments without the Courts making a judgment and later the Court says due to the lack of evidence they give them an acquittal then what will ICC do? Over turn there own verdict? If not, it will seem like quite unfair that the players are clean and yet the ICC is imposing bans on them....

    So, for me its a very thin line that ICC has to walk to this issue.....
    It'll make no difference as to the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service. The reason that the players in question might not be prosecuted would be because they may not have broken any laws within England as no bookmakers within this country do spot betting as its too easy cheat. Even if it is brought to court but dismissed we have to remember that the ICC has its own set of rules which are completely different to the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Zardari is hardly a mullah.
    And he doesn't have any power to legislate Pak laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themer View Post
    It'll make no difference as to the decision of the Crown Prosecution Service. The reason that the players in question might not be prosecuted would be because they may not have broken any laws within England as no bookmakers within this country do spot betting as its too easy cheat. Even if it is brought to court but dismissed we have to remember that the ICC has its own set of rules which are completely different to the law.
    And what are those rules? So far i have not seen them...

    If its not defrauding the bookies then what rule breaking are they being charged for by the ICC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    And what are those rules? So far i have not seen them...

    If its not defrauding the bookies then what rule breaking are they being charged for by the ICC?
    The ICC code of conduct and the law are completely different things. The ICC can have them on charges of talking to bookies, bowling deliberate no balls and not informing the ICC they'd been approached.

    Scotland Yard may be able to prove that all those thing happened but they can't charge them with anything as they haven't broken any laws in doing said things. And I doubt that the Police can charge them with defrauding bookies as technically there hasn't been any bookies defrauded in this country as spot betting isn't allowed. And the bookies that this money has been won on is all from illegal bookmakers in India and Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themer View Post
    The ICC code of conduct and the law are completely different things. The ICC can have them on charges of talking to bookies, bowling deliberate no balls and not informing the ICC they'd been approached.

    Scotland Yard may be able to prove that all those thing happened but they can't charge them with anything as they haven't broken any laws in doing said things. And I doubt that the Police can charge them with defrauding bookies as technically there hasn't been any bookies defrauded in this country as spot betting isn't allowed. And the bookies that this money has been won on is all from illegal bookmakers in India and Pakistan.
    This is where my issue is precisely ..the fall out of marginalizing these 3 players would be wrong as there were plenty of players after the fact who admitted to have been approached but never reported to ICC and were also not fined or charged with any ICC suspension.

    If Mazhar Majeed had a side business of a bookie and spot fixing and also was player's agent then doesn't become a violation by your definition of the rules. There was a recent case where an Indian player was also seen with a woman who had relations with a bookie ..you can't start banning players on such basis.

    Yes, if the police or the court or any other legal authority in UK gives anything but a clean acquittal to the players i am in agreement that ICC should proceed with harsh bans but if that does not happen it will not be fair treatment on ICC's part to ban the players only for talking with their agent who happened to be dirty.
    Last edited by Faisal1985; 12-11-2010 at 02:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Yes, if the police or the court or any other legal authority in UK gives anything but a clean acquittal to the players i am in agreement that ICC should proceed with harsh bans but if that does not happen it will not be fair treatment on ICC's part.
    Yes but the police may not have enough to build a case in the court of law which shows that they haven't broken the law while the ICC have compelling evidence that they have broken the ICC code of conduct.

    From the point of view of the law Amir bowling a no ball on purpose isn't breaking the law it is however breaking every rule in the book in relation to the ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themer View Post
    Yes but the police may not have enough to build a case in the court of law which shows that they haven't broken the law while the ICC have compelling evidence that they have broken the ICC code of conduct.

    From the point of view of the law Amir bowling a no ball on purpose isn't breaking the law it is however breaking every rule in the book in relation to the ICC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisal1985 View Post
    Because we have become a theocratic state full of Mullahs!
    you do know religous parties never have never recieved more then 3% votes outside Khyber-Pakhtoon.



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