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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruxdude View Post
    The standing on ball photo looks similar to Lampard screwing Terry photo TBF.

    Looks like Lampard's swinging it reverse here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Presumably the match balls Pakistan used are around somewhere. There were remarks several times on TMS about how they looked like the dog had been playing with it.
    That'd be a start tbh. If the umpires or officials are of the opinion that the ball looks tampered with, that would carry a lot of weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    That'd be a start tbh. If the umpires or officials are of the opinion that the ball looks tampered with, that would carry a lot of weight.
    Well that's assuming there isn't a whitewash like last time.

    I don't know why the authorities seem to turn a blind eye to ball tampering. It's cheating. Simple.
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    Not cheating imo. Law is unfair and against bowlers. should be changed. Bowlers should be allowed to rough up one side with specific methods. I.e. using finger nails...
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Except that a couple of scratches on the side with the fingernail aren't going to achieve the kind of overall roughness you need to reverse it. Which is the point you guys are missing.
    If you can manage to peel off a bit of the surface layer and create a small indentation, that would definitely aid reverse swing. Reverse swing seems to be due to the layer of air closest to the surface of the ball (known as the boundary layer) becoming turbulent and even small indentations on the surface would aid this process. For example the indentations on a golf ball are present precisely for this purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shankar View Post
    If you can manage to peel off a bit of the surface layer and create a small indentation, that would definitely aid reverse swing. Reverse swing seems to be due to the layer of air closest to the surface of the ball (known as the boundary layer) becoming turbulent and even small indentations on the surface would aid this process.
    That's what I disagree with. IMO you need to rough up the surface overall as happens over the course of a game, not just a couple of scratches.

    For example the indentations on a golf ball are present precisely for this purpose.
    Lets bring the golf ball into the equation when the bowler manages to create multiple indentations on one side similar to the ones on it. A couple of scratches are nowhere near the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Roughing up one side and picking at one side are entirely different things. Besides, he'd have to be a genius to ensure that he could drop the ball and step on the exact same side he wanted to tamper with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    That's what I disagree with. IMO you need to rough up the surface overall as happens over the course of a game, not just a couple of scratches.
    On what basis do you say that though? I'm not talking about scratches. But an area with a diameter of say 1 cm over which the surface is peeled off would increase significantly the probability of the boundary layer becoming turbulent.

    Lets bring the golf ball into the equation when the bowler manages to create multiple indentations on one side similar to the ones on it. A couple of scratches are nowhere near the same thing.
    I only brought up the golf ball to give an idea of the common process that's involved i.e. indentations on the surface aiding transition to turbulence.

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    Love how the spelling of his name randomly changes from "Aamer " to "Amir" halfway through the article.

    I suspect the boy probably has been lead astray and, if he co-operates with the investigations I'd advocate leniency. Should serve some kind of ban still tho, however.
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    Yea but Aamer has to admit what he's done as well. He has to be honest about the whole thing, not come up with crap about how he had no idea about what he was doing and he's completely innocent. That's just ridiculous and means he'll have no credibility if he's back playing international cricket again in a few years.

    This is Pakistan's chance to turn over a new leaf to some extent. If they don't I personally don't want them involved in the game as a national team, although I'm sure they will be. The game is bigger than any one country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Except that a couple of scratches on the side with the fingernail aren't going to achieve the kind of overall roughness you need to reverse it. Which is the point you guys are missing.
    Kidding yourself. It all helps.

    You want the ball as dry, and keeping that side as rough as possible. By using your fingernails, which if they're anything over a normal size length can disturb the surface, you can target the parts of the ball that haven't been as roughed up as other parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    Kidding yourself. It all helps.

    You want the ball as dry, and keeping that side as rough as possible. By using your fingernails, which if they're anything over a normal size length can disturb the surface, you can target the parts of the ball that haven't been as roughed up as other parts.
    As a bowler you are never sure how and how much the ball will swing/spin right? Mostly you hope and with experience you get some sorta knowledge on what will get the ball to swing/spin big or little but you are never EXACTLY sure of how much... And I think with that as a given, it is a big help even to scratch a little bit. You never know, 1 out of 10 or 12 deliveries might just land there and do something...
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    It's an inexact science. Some days, it won't matter how much work, legal or otherwise, you put into the ball, it won't move off the straight. Other days, it happens naturally without you even thinking about reverse swing.

    Teams do it because it gives them the best chance of producing it. It may not always happen, but on the occasions that it does it can have a huge effect on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    It's an inexact science. Some days, it won't matter how much work, legal or otherwise, you put into the ball, it won't move off the straight. Other days, it happens naturally without you even thinking about reverse swing.

    Teams do it because it gives them the best chance of producing it. It may not always happen, but on the occasions that it does it can have a huge effect on the game.
    Yep.. exactly my point. INteresting to see this does not vary across the various levels of cricket, coz what I said was from my experience in school and age level cricket...



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