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    Would I be correct in saying that if the CPS went to the media and said, "look, here's all the evidence we've gathered to charge the individuals named" they'd basically be prejudicing the entire case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerFurball View Post
    Would I be correct in saying that if the CPS went to the media and said, "look, here's all the evidence we've gathered to charge the individuals named" they'd basically be prejudicing the entire case?
    Yes - the case would undoubtedly be thrown out

    Applications can be made to lift reporting restrictions but it very rarely happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaremba View Post
    They enabled / assisted cheating at gambling in one of two ways. (1) If there were bets placed on that particular match, then the bowling of deliberate no balls to
    order clearly assisted others to cheat at gambling. (2) Even if no
    bets were to be placed on that match, and it was all about demonstrating the power of the fixer to arrange events,, their actions clearly assisted his enterprise, which was all about cheating in relation to gambling. I really don't see a problem with that as a basis for a prosecution. As fred points out, though, the issue will all be about the defendants' state(s) of mind. And if there is any evidence of coercion, that of course will be quite properly relied on by the defence.

    Having said all of which, we would most of us be well advised to take a dose of humility and accept that we don't know either the evidence or the law in the same detail as do the CPS lawyers (and that even includes dear old social who seems to be holding himself as some sort of expert in these matters). Fred an honourable exception from a
    legal perspective although I'm sure he'd be the first to say that without access to the evidence in the hands of the CPS we are all basically guessing here.
    I guess you are right, especially about the evidence part. And Fred did mention earlier that the gambling act did not discriminate on whether bets were placed or not. However I would like to repeat what I wrote earlier, which was that during Majeed and Amir's phone conversation, Majeed was treating him like dirt, by swearing at him and intimidating him. This to me seems as if Amir was being coerced into the whole thing.

    @ Fred

    Can a defendant request the court for the CPS's evidence in order to prepare for his case or will he have to guess what evidence the CPS is holding and prepare his defence according to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post

    @ Fred

    Can a defendant request the court for the CPS's evidence in order to prepare for his case or will he have to guess what evidence the CPS is holding and prepare his defence according to that?
    A Defendant is entitled to see all of the case against before he decides how to plead - you usually get some additional evidence served during the course of the proceedings after a not guilty plea but the CPS cannot "ambush" a Defendant - prior to around 1997 the defence, on the other hand, were allowed to play their cards close to their chest and not disclose their defence in advance but those rules have been eroded since then and the defence do now have to state in advance what defence is being run


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    Rubbish stuff. Feel bad for the ICC, they're trying their best to get a long ban to stick. FFS, why else were they bowling the no-balls - for a laugh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    How is this reliable. It first says that he wanted to give Amir 1 year and then at the end 2 years. Inconsistent

    Is it true that match fixing carries only two years. Shouldn't it be a life ban because its more serious that spot fixing.

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    If there is any truth in that, and tbh I can't imagine that there is, then Mr Beloff has behaved execrably

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    If there is any truth in that, and tbh I can't imagine that there is, then Mr Beloff has behaved execrably


    That's going in one of my next assignments.

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    Here is a BBC interview with Aamir after the ICC's decision in Doha.

    BBC - David Bond: Amir faces up to a career in ruins

    So sad that such a talent has gone to waste. I don't think we'll see another 18 year old who can swing the new ball both ways at 85-90 mph and then reverse it at the death. Plus he could have been a decent bat.

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    Spot-fixing controversy: Tribunal charts fascinating course, points out weak defence | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

    "It therefore followed that the three players' defences before us were different. Mr Butt accepted there was a fix, but denied that he was a part of it. Mr Asif asserted that Mr Butt was a part of a conspiracy and that he himself was, as we shall explain, the unwitting instrument of Mr Butt. Mr Amir denied his involvement in any fix, the existence of which he did not formally accept." Later it confirms the report that Asif's defence of the no-ball was that Butt had told him to "run faster", which caused him to over-step.
    Spot-fixing controversy: Tribunal charts fascinating course, points out weak defence | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

    Pretty interesting. also lol at Amir.

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    It is quite extraordinary how mentally immature Amir is for a 19 year old.
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    Yes.Afterall 19 year olds are accused of match fixing every other day with their careers put on the line

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    wait are you defending him? really? honestly? still? even after being found guilty and the two other accused admitting something was going on? (even if they didn't say they were in it). jesus christ.

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    Where did i defend him?

    I merley commented on Spark's comment on how immature Amir was.



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