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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    I'm not privy to all the facts of the situation and, sub judice being what it is, I don't suppose anyone else is either, but given it's been reported that both bowled no-balls at exactly the points promised by the middle man to the undercover reporter and their captain was found in possession of 38k in cash, which included notes with the same serial numbers as paid to the middle man by the NotW, it's insulting to the intelligence to say there's no proof.
    It is insulting to the intelligence, but a verdict in a legal system or a hearing in this case isn't decided on the basis of deduction, i.e. all three cheated and were caught on camera; money found on Butt; therefore Amir and Asif would also have received money.

    Hard evidence must be provided that Asif and Aamir had money on them. That is why I think the CPS should not have prosecuted. However this is a hearing by the ICC and so the rules are probably different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    She didn't say that. She asked for the Pakistani people to protest, two completely different things.
    She didn't say it directly, but that is what she seemed to be suggesting.

    I watched the video, and what she is basically saying is this : "it is sad for Pakistan and Pakistanis that such a good player has been treated this harshly. The people of Pakistan should protest against this."

    Make what of it you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze 18 View Post
    She didn't say it directly, but that is what she seemed to be suggesting.

    I watched the video, and what she is basically saying is this : "it is sad for Pakistan and Pakistanis that such a good player has been treated this harshly. The people of Pakistan should protest against this."

    Make what of it you will.
    It's all very subjective, but she was only appealing to her fellow citizens.

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    it is a farce, asif and butt should have got life bans and amir should have got 7-10 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    So the captain had cash on him,- I'm sorry but big ****ing deal

    The only things we know are:

    a. NOTW (hardly gospel)

    b. Bowlers delivering no balls

    c. No proof of any money changing hands

    d. Pakistanis

    Prior, Haddin and Dhoni rated a few lines but WTF, give these guys life!
    What have Prior, Haddin and Dhoni done ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze 18 View Post
    She didn't say it directly, but that is what she seemed to be suggesting.

    I watched the video, and what she is basically saying is this : "it is sad for Pakistan and Pakistanis that such a good player has been treated this harshly. The people of Pakistan should protest against this."

    Make what of it you will.
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    It's all very subjective, but she was only appealing to her fellow citizens.
    That is exactly what Blaze said earlier. She is now appealing to her fellow citizens to come to the rescue of her son who had so willingly sold them off for a few measly dollars.
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    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    That is exactly what Blaze said earlier. She is now appealing to her fellow citizens to come to the rescue of her son who had so willingly sold them off for a few measly dollars.

    Agent either you are not as stupid as you seem or you don't seem as stupid as you are.
    No no, Blaze said that she was playing the race card, i.e. Amir has got 5 years because he is Pakistani. I don't think she was playing the race card.

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    why are comments by a distressed mother whose son has just pissed on his promising career being dissected with so much scrutiny over here.

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    good question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuhaib View Post
    why are comments by a distressed mother whose son has just pissed on his promising career being dissected with so much scrutiny over here.
    I just posted the damn video, and everybody decided to act all holier than thou by saying that she's wrong and that she shouldn't support her son because he cheated.

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    As far as I know, no-one said she shouldn't support her son. She can support him in ways other than insinuating bias and/or playing the nationality card, however.

    Anyways, like Xuhaib said, the words of an upset mother need not be scrutinised to this extent. Her choice of words was perhaps wrong, but it can happen to the best of people (Shoaib Malik's speech after the 2007 T20 final immediately comes to mind). In general, I think people throw the race/nationality card around way too often nowadays. The worst part is, most people readily lap it up without too much thought.

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    This is just beyond stupid, in no way was she playing the race card, that is simply a moronic assertion, it's like inverted chip on your shoulders syndrome. What you must realise was that his career represented a big opportunity for amirs family to improve their lot, now this has seemingly gone down the drain, as well as her sons prosperity and reputation, this is a fairly big and significant event and she is appealing for help, talk about creative slandering.

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    Don't understand people saying that the CPS shouldn't have prosecuted as there's no evidence. You people do realise that there will be evidence we aren't privy to, right??? The CPS don't go round charging people for the hell of it, (the anti-freedom party's terrorist act excluded)

    And comparing it to a wicket-keeper knocking the bails off illegitimately is facile at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    So the captain had cash on him,- I'm sorry but big ****ing deal

    The only things we know are:

    a. NOTW (hardly gospel)

    b. Bowlers delivering no balls

    c. No proof of any money changing hands

    d. Pakistanis

    Prior, Haddin and Dhoni rated a few lines but WTF, give these guys life!
    You seriously suggesting there's no difference between cheating to win and deliberately underperforming to order? Sorry, but it's a completely different ball park. Where does it end? Arresting Richie McCaw for killing the ball?

    & it wasn't just that Butt had a large sum of cash on him that he couldn't account for (it looks dodgy, but hardly proof of anything itself), but rather that it was the same notes that the NOTW had paid to the middle man. Now whilst there's no direct proof (at least in the public domain) that any of it found its way to Amir or Asif, they undeniably did bowl the no-balls as requested. Whether it was for money or because they wanted to please their captain is immaterial; in the first instance they're bent and greedy in the second bent and stupid.

    &, say what you want about the NOTW, but the CPS are unlikely to want to waste their time if there's no reasonable prospect of a conviction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraintIsMyHero View Post
    Don't understand people saying that the CPS shouldn't have prosecuted as there's no evidence. You people do realise that there will be evidence we aren't privy to, right???
    Yeah I seem to remember saying this several times before. A very important point.
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