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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Tucker
Sim the next matches then you ****
Rated him below Mills as Mills does more with the ball. And always liked Mason. If only he was a bit more consistent he would still be playing for NZ.
And I guess I have Mckay and Bennet in there for their potential.
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Mason just got the one test match. I don't think he was seen as much of a strike bowler, that and we never had to look past (over Mason's career) Bond, Franklin, Cairns, Nash, Martin, Tuffey and Oram to be our seamers.
By the time those guys all went for one reason or another, Mason was about 33-34 and not seen as a long term option. It was between him and O'Brien to be the 30+ seamer imo, and because O'Brien was a tad quicker and a bit younger he got an opportunity first and took it with both hands.
I do think Mason could have been quite a decent test bowler though if he'd been given more opportunities. Gets plenty of bounce and seam movement and is very accurate. He's on the way out now though.
Something like that anyway. I'd have Boult a lot higher once he's actually bowling at full fitness.
yeah thanks for that Flem I was out of NZ for most of Mason's career so that was new information for me. First time I saw him was in an ODI and I saw him bowl a perfect outswinger and thought that guy is money. I love the way his outswinger wobbles.
But then as I watched him - in the next few games he would release the pressure off the batsman with a boundary delivery at in opportune times. And then he would bowl well only to pick up a niggly injury.
Love his run up and bowling action. He definitely makes NZ FC cricket a better place for being a part of it,
Anyway, the best seamers in the country as of right now imo are:
Tier 1: Brent Arnel, Tim Southee, Iain O'Brien
Tier 2: Andre Adams, Michael Mason, Darryl Tuffey
Tier 3: Chris Martin, Andy McKay, Hamish Bennett, Graeme Aldridge, James Franklin, Adam Milne
Those are subject to change though. I honestly don't think there is much of a difference in the tiers at all, though there is a little bit of distance between the tiers. Bennett and McKay are tier 3 mainly because I'm undecided on them, and there's other bowlers around who could be in the above lists except I've seen none of them.
Imo we have a whole bunch of bowlers who are of a very similar quality.
Since we have a whole bunch of similar quality bowlers we should look to vary our attack as much as possible, so we have a bit of everything.
Would be great if O'Brien returns, even if it's just a couple of series. He retired as a bowler head and shoulders above the rest of the country.
If you remember Mason's one debut test at the Basin vs South Africa, he really went to pieces mentally. His run up was shot, he was delivering the ball a good metre behind the crease. A bit like that time Sinclair was looking awful at the basin too but from a bowler perspective. I remember the commentators joking that Cairns should move his marker up when he wasn't looking!
I always liked him too and was sad for him that happened and he never got given another chance after that to make amends. I remember he was cleaning up the domestic season and saw a few games were he was just putting ball after ball right on the spot and really troubling the batsmen.
He got given a go in some ODIs and was going well, then got injured. And it seems the selectors never 'liked' him.
I suppose when you have a face like that
Last edited by Halfpast_Yellow; 01-11-2010 at 04:04 AM.
Mason should've played that Test vs Bangers in Dunedin a few years back instead of being twelth man. Would still be in the side now IMO.
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