honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Nice read.
I think this is the key point here regarding why he was picked no. 3. Potentially great centers have always been extremely tough to come by, whereas great guards were widely available even then. Not sure of his reputation at the time, but the fact Stockton was picked no. 16 behind a bunch of centers and forwards further proves this point IMO.I have lost you there, so No. 3 is no good especially when it is considered one of the best Draft ever and the other two drafted ahead were 7'+ centers?
1984 Draft Jordan Pick By bulls (ahead of Barkley and Stockton) , Listen to the reaction of fans and what the commentators had to sayI think this is the key point here regarding why he was picked no. 3. Potentially great centers have always been extremely tough to come by, whereas great guards were widely available even then. Not sure of his reputation at the time, but the fact Stockton was picked no. 16 behind a bunch of centers and forwards further proves this point IMO.
But how do you define talent though? I think the reason people have different takes is because different people define talent differently.I certainly don't agree with his views on Wasim and Waqar. I personally feel Waqar was the one who was a little laid back and more talented. The problem is, many ex-cricketers, cricket writers and Fans link 'talent' to 'romantic cricket'. Wasim could move the ball a mile, Waqar and Donald could pitch the ball up to the stumps every ball. Both different 'talents'. Both equally awesome.
This occurs while judging batting as well. Mark Waugh had the uncanny knack of playing his shots 'the way they are supposed to be played', while Steve Waugh changed his game early in his career to go on from a flashy average Batsman to one of the greatest the game has seen. Sure, his shots weren't exactly as delicately carved as those of Frank Wooley. But he got the runs. He got the runs. This might lead to people saying Mark Waugh 'wasted' his talent while ol' Steve overachieved 'as he had no batting talent but was filled with grit and determination'. Rubbish view IMO.
and yeah, Ashraful is not talented, thanks.
I don't want to start a fight and forgive me if I'm wrong but,Now coming back to Wasim, Waqar and Imran, I believe Wasim was the most talented of the lot. The reason I say that is because he had more abilities than then..he could do more stuff than them..Imran start at 17, was not good enough, and was dropped. He didnt make it back for another 4 years. Waqar, was also pretty ordinary and the only reason he was picked by Imran was because of his ability to bowl fast (That is God given talent too). Wasim on the other hand, right from the moment go he made test cricket and fast bowling his own. Now I am not saying Wasim as a result is better than than Imran or Waqar. That is a different argument. I feel Waqar on his day could be more threatening and deadly than Wasim. What Imran did against a strong Indian side on flat pitches in 84, Wasim never did something like that.
Edit: Slowfinger that's not appropriate. Please don’t attack posters like that.DUDES check this new Imran Khan interview out, his arrogance is beyond annoying, can he stop being so full of himself? Its almost as despicable as Michael Jordan's hall of fame speech last year.
Imran Khan: 'The more the pressure, the stronger I got' | Specials | Cricinfo Magazine | Cricinfo.com
You are right. When I said Waqar was ordinary, I meant before he started playing test cricket. He hadnt done anything spectacular and the only reason he was picked was for his pace. Wasim on the other hand made his way into the squad by getting selected in the proper way.I don't want to start a fight and forgive me if I'm wrong but,
I am off the understanding that Wasim, though a very good bowler in his initial years was not the ATG bowler he went on to become.
In his initial four years, He had impressive but not insane statistics of 94 wickets @ 28 in 29 games with a SR of 65.5. This is a shadow off the Wasim Akram who we have since grown to gasp in awe of.
On the contrary, Waqar when he was handpicked by Imran was certainly anything but ordinary. In fact, Waqar during those initial four years, was, many believe, the finest fast bowler to grace cricket. In his first five years in cricket, Waqar had taken 190 wickets @ 19 in 33 games with a SR of 36. These figures are truly astounding and not to degenerate Wasim's achievements or anything but, Waqar in his first four years of cricket took around twice as many wickets in about the same amount of games @ about half the SR of Wasim during Wasim's first four years.
Not saying you should not have your opinion about talent but rather just pointing out the slight error in your post.
Slow Finger
I agree with this. Imran's statements dont come across as arrogance to me, just self-belief and a feeling of accomplishment. He achieved more in his career than pretty much anyone short of Bradman and Sobers.Pretty inexplicable reasons those
Now regarding his arrogance in political, I for one do not think he is at all arrogant as a politician..but to dwell more on that would be off topic on this forum.
As for arrogance as a cricketer.. I dont think that is arrogance. That is self confidence and strong belief in oneself. It is extremely important to have that to achieve anything in life especially when it comes to something like sports.
Tendulkar might come across as modest in his public appearance and I respect him for that but I am sure that in his mind, he knows and believes that he is the best batsman in the world. That is not arrogance at all. That belief gives him strength and motivation.
Nothing wrong it at all.
Hit the nail on the head with this...I don't want to start a fight and forgive me if I'm wrong but,
I am off the understanding that Wasim, though a very good bowler in his initial years was not the ATG bowler he went on to become.
In his initial four years, He had impressive but not insane statistics of 94 wickets @ 28 in 29 games with a SR of 65.5. This is a shadow off the Wasim Akram who we have since grown to gasp in awe of.
On the contrary, Waqar when he was handpicked by Imran was certainly anything but ordinary. In fact, Waqar during those initial four years, was, many believe, the finest fast bowler to grace cricket. In his first five years in cricket, Waqar had taken 190 wickets @ 19 in 33 games with a SR of 36. These figures are truly astounding and not to degenerate Wasim's achievements or anything but, Waqar in his first four years of cricket took around twice as many wickets in about the same amount of games @ about half the SR of Wasim during Wasim's first four years.
Not saying you should not have your opinion about talent but rather just pointing out the slight error in your post.