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    Why is Steve Smith considered an all rounder?

    I keep hearing everyone refer to Steve Smith (giving your kid such a bland name should be a crime) as an "all-rounder". Please explain in what universe someone like him can be considered all rounder with bowling stats like this

    First-class Avg 48.84 SR 73.0
    List A Avg 43.58 SR 47.9

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    He bats and bowls a bit. Fields too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeSmith View Post
    I keep hearing everyone refer to Steve Smith (giving your kid such a bland name should be a crime) as an "all-rounder". Please explain in what universe someone like him can be considered all rounder with bowling stats like this

    First-class Avg 48.84 SR 73.0
    List A Avg 43.58 SR 47.9
    Presumably it is more on potential rather than anything particularly outstanding in his stats so far. Leg-spin as we all know tkaes time to develop, to master a number of deliveries and gain the accuracy essential to become a real player. Probably wouldn 't read too much into his averages at the moment, the guy's only just 21, but would like to hear how people do rate his bowling.

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    He's only played 13 FC games. After 13 Test matches Andrew Flintoff averaged 18 with the bat and 46 with the ball.

    See here though for an idea.
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    I assume you have never followed an Australian domestic game in your life?

    His average is terrible largely due to a very poor start to his domestic career with the ball. His improvement since the start of the previous Australia summer has been immense, culminating in the 7 wicket haul as mentioned by andyc.

    The hype surrounding Smith is what he "may" become, rather than his current output. Many wise cricketing heads have alluded to the fact that Smith has a special talent that may only be seen once every generation. The next step is for Smith to start showing his talent more consistently with the ball, with the bat he has already proven enough.

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    Only going by the impression I've garnered from watching international cricket as Oz FC stuff never gets shown up here, but the SS does seem to be a graveyard for spinners (which is kinda fitting as our own SS would probably put them all in one should he ever become king). Hauritz looks infinitely better than his career figures suggest and, perhaps tellingly, the great man himself, SK Warne, averaged more in first class cricket than in tests.

    Smith's raw, but the potential is there to see. There also seem to have been something of a sea change in Oz selectorial policy of late, with the panel rather keener to blood whelps (see also Hazlewood & Warner) than they've been previously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Only going by the impression I've garnered from watching international cricket as Oz FC stuff never gets shown up here, but the SS does seem to be a graveyard for spinners (which is kinda fitting as our own SS would probably put them all in one should he ever become king). Hauritz looks infinitely better than his career figures suggest and, perhaps tellingly, the great man himself, SK Warne, averaged more in first class cricket than in tests.
    Indeed and by quite a bit;

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    46 matches, 161 wickets, avg 34.73

    Averaged a whole wicket less per match too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    He's only played 13 FC games. After 13 Test matches Andrew Flintoff averaged 18 with the bat and 46 with the ball.

    See here though for an idea.
    A fair comparison as we were hearing Flintoff was going to be a great allrounder for many years before he actually looked anything like one.It got to a stage where i though Bumble had lost the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flibbertyjibber View Post
    A fair comparison as we were hearing Flintoff was going to be a great allrounder for many years before he actually looked anything like one.It got to a stage where i though Bumble had lost the plot.
    But never got to be a one BTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeSmith View Post
    I keep hearing everyone refer to Steve Smith (giving your kid such a bland name should be a crime) as an "all-rounder". Please explain in what universe someone like him can be considered all rounder with bowling stats like this

    First-class Avg 48.84 SR 73.0
    List A Avg 43.58 SR 47.9
    If Garry"I bowl every style crap"Sobers(who took 31 wickets @ 50 in his first 30 tests) can be considered an allrounder,anyone can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BhupinderSingh View Post
    If Garry"I bowl every style crap"Sobers(who took 31 wickets @ 50 in his first 30 tests) can be considered an allrounder,anyone can.
    I like to see what would have been Imran's average bowling spin on a green track.

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